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In Reply to: Re: Inferences are not necessarily facts posted by Mr. Walker on October 23, 2004 at 08:29:22:
Mr. Walker,"The idea that there’s more than meets the eye to the rollerblock 'group buy' seems to be gaining some traction here, so I guess I can leave off now."
The debate comes down to two things in my mind. The first is whether or not the group buy constitutes an act of commerce, which would be against the rules of the Asylum. The second consists of unsupported assertions that there is some dark purpose behind Hip Joints and that someone's intellectual property has been stolen. I personally see a large difference between a group of hobbyists joining in to have some devices made and an act of commerce. The second issue is one where no one has bothered to investigate the facts but some are quick to offer condemning points of view.
"I was having trouble reconciling that with your frequent suggestion that Symposium copied your design, along with the fact that you used Rollerblocks as a constant point of reference during the design of the Hip Joints."
Symposium released their "Jr." model more than a year after Hip Joints were being publicized here and the specs given away freely. I found the radical change in design from the original, drilled and filled rectangle odd. I don't know if Hip Joints were copied but they did exist publicly long before the Jrs.
As to "constant point of reference", those are not my words. In my oldest posts I talked about being impressed with the Rollerblocks and my deciding to try my own design, which I compared to Rollerblocks to see how I'd done. I don't believe this is the same as "constant point of reference". By the way, the Rollerblocks I'd heard were the original block-shaped, drilled and filled design which have no resemblance to Hip Joints.
"...when you say 'My designs have nothing in common with Rollerblocks other than they both use a ball and a cup,' shouldn’t you also include things like the use of 7075 aluminum and ½†tungsten carbide balls?"
Yes we have 7075 aluminum in common. Unless I'm mistaken, this is not a proprietary material and is used on all sorts of constructs. I also tried 6061 aluminum as well as other materials during the design phase. The specs for Hip Joints, which I am fairly confident you have not yet seen, call for chrome steel balls, not tungsten carbide though in this case too, we are not talking about a proprietary material or one that is not in common use in many similar designs.
"Just out of curiosity, though, why is it that you give no one the right to manufacture these on a commercial basis? If your goal is simply to share the design with as many people as possible, what difference does it make to you who manufactures them?"
Are you asking for manufacturing rights? Where does it say I am obliged to license my design to an external manufacturer? I never said anything about "as many people as possible". This is another case where you attribute your own words to me. My goal has been simply to have fun and share the design with whom I like, when I like.
With that last statement in mind I must say the fun is rapidly being drained from this place which of late seems populated with some quite bitter and judgemental individuals who continue to make assertions as they continue to avoid supplying any evidence to support those assertions.
I will continue to give out the specs for Hip Joints to who I want, when I want. Despite the assertions of a number of individuals, I have made no efforts to make Hip Joints a commercial product (having in fact turned down a few requests for licensing). I have been freely sharing the specs for Hip Joints with other members of this community we call the Asylum, because I took it to be a community.
If this is how long-standing members are treated, while those committing libelous assaults (and then going silent instead of providing evidence) are coddled, I have no more to say on this subject.
Barry
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Follow Ups
- These inferences are just not facts - bdiament 13:03:48 10/23/04 (2)
- Re: These inferences are just not facts - Mr. Walker 04:47:36 10/25/04 (1)
- Not quite "merely" - bdiament 09:28:27 10/25/04 (0)
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