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PLEASE..........Help me to find very refined speakers with high efficiency and flat impedance curve. If possible less than 12-13 kE.
THANKS !
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Check out martinelli Firenze... Been searching myself this whole year for hi effeciency speakers for tube use.. I listened to the edgar horn titan and was floored by the siesmic sub. With out a doubt the most natural,relaxed and dynamic bass I've ever heard. This drove me to finally sell my N801.. But Titans horns need to be 15feet from seat as the sound was not integrated and the tweeter wasn't my favorite.
Martinelli horns are amazing to me. very clear(no cone breakup) midrange with all the recording detail and well blended with tad woofer and has more detail then siesmic sub and you can listen close.. Going to try and blend martinelli horns with my own midbass cabinet with tad woofer and seismic sub for low end. maybe coax driver for horn or seperate tweeter.. Anyway all around $7k without separate amps and electronic crossover
end of story. $7,000 (at least the price a few years ago). heard it about 2.5 years ago at his shop with a BEL class A amp. coupled with the seismic horn loaded sub, i was downright SCARED! he put on dark side of the moon and cranked it. i jumped behind the couch for cover!there is NO better horn system out there for anywhere close to the money. i haven't heard $100,000 avante garde horns but i doubt they could possibly bring all that much more to the table.
see ya,
RObby
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A few points to note, high efficiency and small cabinet are incompatible features in a speaker, a true high efficiency speaker will be relatively huge. As a result only a few domestic speakers fit the bill Altec, Voice of the Theater ( a US Model) < a href="http://www.alteclansing.com/product_cat_legacy.asp?region=northam" . if you are in Europe, you are well advised to visit Avantgarde site for an domestic high efficiency speaker, however they are sized accordingly, horses for courses. These are true HE and do not require corners to perform at their best, the bass alignment and design is such that this speaker will scarcely trouble your amplifier.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Worth the audition and so far the best speakers I have heard in the last 15 years.
I've currently got a pair of AN-J's (SE/Silver) in my listening room (I recently moved), and I'm debating whether to 'upgrade' to AN-Es (undoubtedly at a lower level than the SE Silvers).My listening room is 14.5' wide x 19' deep, with vaulted ceilings -- but the current position of the speakers is in the corners, while i'm sitting approximately 7' from the front (and obviously quite far from the rear. (There's actually more of an open space behind the listening spot, as the room is "L" shaped.)
I'm using a Neiro (2a3) for amplification.
Any perspective on this?
Thank you!
Your room size puts you squarely in E territory now. With 2A3's, one of the HE models would be advisable. Which HE model is a conversation too involved to get into here. I'd advise contacting an Audio Note dealer, or you can write me off-line.
Keep your ears and your mind open.
thanks so much!yeah, i was thinking one of the HE models might be the best idea.
the problem is that i would deifnitely have to sell my AN-J/SE Silvers (+ stands), and I'm not sure how much I could expect on such a sale.
I think that would dictate which AN-E's I could go for. I fear it would be a much lower model -- maybe the lowest HE model with some silver wiring.
how can i email you for more of your thoughts? i'm curoius for your perspective.
thank you!
You're welcome.You can reach me at the email attached to my moniker here, or you can ask away at the Yahoo Group I've just created this morning. I created it for just this sort of thing, and others may benefit from the dialogue.
Keep your ears and your mind open.
forgot to add...i came across this review/comparison of the AN-E vs. the AN-J (an older model). i found it interesting as it is the only time i've ever seen them compared in the same space.
the review suggests that the AN-E's give up a bit of the AN-J's midrange sweetness/detail. i'm a little hesitant to lose that or have the detail 'smeared'.
anyway, it's all conjecture until i could compare for myself (or hear from others who have done comparisons).
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1203/audionoteloudspeakers.htm
Thanks for all the advices !!!I also like the AN. My only concern is that my room is large with no corner usable. Do you think I will be able to listen to orchestral music at high levels ? (my tube amp is powerful : 100 wpc).
Thanks.
Most people do not have ideal rooms and within the limitations you still have to pick something. So if you don't have an ideal room then you need to buy a speaker that STILL sounds good even if you can't position them to manufacturer spec. Hi-fi Choice in blind listening sessions from 1992 to the current model have all always given them rave reviews and they don't have corners.More important that sensitivity is efficiency. My AN J is 93db sensitive IF positioned in the corner and measured 89.5db away from corners as corners reinforce both Bass (by a significant margin) and sensitivity by 3db or so. I use a 10 watt amp and can play to levels that will and have garnered plenty of complaints with bass that have the chest feeling painting rattling variety. Out from corners this is lessened but nevertheless they still have more bass than most speakers and certainly more than most all standmounts for the same money.
And there is simply more to it than just bass depth - it's the way the bass is presented that to me is far more important. If bass depth at level is all you want then one can buy a subwoofer at best-buy for $600.00 but after listening to such devices it is pretty clear that bass depth and the quality of bass on tap are very different animals. But of course the sub option is open in the end for any speaker you choose.
There is high levels and high levels. A big horn system like the AvanteGuarde mentioned by Tah or a host of others like the old and new K-horn will have more impact and macrodynamic ease. I don;t think the Avanteguarde sounds nearly as good as the AN E overall as a loudspeaker but that is a matter of preference which you may or may not share. I prefer the K-horn to the duo but the K-horn I suspect will be more of a pain to set-up and also needs corners (more-so than the E).
For me the E hits all the right balances -- it's not big and heavey so you can move them around easily to get them just right. They offer high enough sensitivity and efficiency to be run with SET amps which is obvious since if they could not Audio Note would not be in business selling some of the most respected SET amps in the world. They can be driven to hear hurting levels with 10 watts...and in a practical sense that is the ONLY real issue of relevance not the numbers. The trade-off to playing significantly louder is damaged hearing and often what I call a honkey horn sound.
The AN also makes up in spades in the microdynamics arena playing extremely well at low volumes and being able to relay individual happenings in a sea of busy music.
The only thing you can really do is listen to them away from corners and decide whether they will perform -- with 100Watts you will more than make up for the loss of sensitivity. At the end of the day IMO you should not be limiting yourself to numbers when selecting speakers. I have heard speakers with similar bass specs (and better) and similar sensitivity specs. But there is a kind of in room pressure when the AN E is playing that some better speced speakers in the same room simply do not generate and once heard is awfully tough to go back to. For me it occurs on brass instruments -- really has nothing to do with outright bass or treble response but the front to back power and in room sensation created in the dynamics of those instruments.
Having heard a highly praised panel speaker do a good job of separating the instruments and being very crisp clean and clear was all very nice and is good reason to audition the speakers and for many buy em - they for me still had nothing in the pressure and front to back sensation of a living instrument in room. I could recommend both if I were a reviewer - but I'd want to own only the one.
AN-E's prefer corners and will give you more bass there, but if they are at least near some room boundaries, they should perform well. They come in 94 dB and 98 dB versions, so you will have some watts left over! Their favorite amps are SET's, which is what bring out their refinement most effectively. I have a pair of E/SPx SE's in my 5000 cubic foot living room and am very happy with orchestral music, with 8 watt SET's. You can get more bigger sound from Reynaud Concordes, but if refinement is your game, Audio Note is the name. Budrew on this forum has played with corners and might have some advice to offer. He has E/SPe's and uses an 18 watt SET.If you want a longer lecture, email me. Your room doesn't sound ideal for AN speakers but ideals aren't everything. And a lot of folks are willing to use their imaginations to get this kind of refinement, corners or no.
Audio Note AN/E are VERY GOOD! Several levels to choose from.
See U.S. Prices: http://www.audionoteusa.com/USpricinglist.htmUK manufacturer's site: http://www.audionote.co.uk/
For a simple explanation of the various levels see: http://www.amherstaudio.com/
See reviews on AN/E's at: http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/506an/index1.html
http://www.dagogo.com/AudioNoteAN-E-SE-2003.html
Will someone who is not an AN dealer please direct this gentlement to the proper website? Thanks.
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