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Topic - "All Wires Sound Different" and other questionable points - tpcarter 14:52:15 07/10/09 (166)

RE: "All Wires Sound Different" and other questionable points - Peter H-son 11:32:25 08/02/09 (0)

RE: "I'm wondering if everyone is arguing for argument's sake" - rick_m 08:22:21 07/26/09 (0)

Well, I have a simple question ... - Dr. Philosophy 02:29:40 07/26/09 (13)

RE: Well, I have a simple question ... - Todd Krieger 23:10:09 07/26/09 (6)

The proposition that the 'evidence' is mostly bogus - Dr. Philosophy 04:02:14 07/27/09 (5)

RE: The proposition that the 'evidence' is mostly bogus - Tony Lauck 08:27:24 07/27/09 (1)

RE: The proposition that the 'evidence' is mostly bogus - bjh 09:21:00 07/27/09 (0)

"we're talking about the audlible characteristics of, primarily, cables/wires. " What? ... and not amplifiers, - bjh 04:26:55 07/27/09 (2)

Um, 'freeze your arse due to naked hypocrisy'? - Dr. Philosophy 06:15:46 07/27/09 (1)

OMG! You give a damn about RBNG's propoganda! - bjh 06:58:03 07/27/09 (0)

If you really want to know... - mkuller 17:43:36 07/26/09 (0)

Test methods with unmeasured resolving power are worthless. - Al Sekela 15:43:05 07/26/09 (2)

So you're saying... - kerr 16:46:46 07/26/09 (1)

It seems to be more urban legend than reality. - Al Sekela 14:48:29 07/27/09 (0)

RE: Well, I have a simple question ... - Ugly 09:59:49 07/26/09 (1)

RE: Well, I have a simple question ... - Phelonious Ponk 19:39:02 07/29/09 (0)

Wires produce different sounds (measurements) and very long wires are audibly different ... but ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:39:36 07/23/09 (24)

"Banned from Critics Forum " for Trolling -t - Sordidman 16:28:59 07/23/09 (6)

Costello - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:11 07/28/09 (5)

Elvis Costello, - you could learn a lot from him - Sordidman 16:26:38 07/28/09 (4)

I'd agree with every post of yours, Sordid ............................ - Richard BassNut Greene 08:36:13 07/29/09 (3)

You're not here to participate; but to crusade - Sordidman 09:11:34 07/31/09 (2)

I'm on a crusade... - morricab 08:20:09 08/05/09 (1)

HA!! "Grail? We've already got one! Your father was a hamster - Sordidman 12:01:45 08/05/09 (0)

"RG...Banned from Critics Forum for..." - robert young 12:02:47 07/23/09 (14)

He's a well known writer of fiction...(nt) - mkuller 15:18:35 07/23/09 (13)

Moe - Richard BassNut Greene 08:28:46 07/28/09 (0)

I might disagree - E-Stat 06:20:14 07/24/09 (11)

Abbott - Richard BassNut Greene 08:29:28 07/28/09 (0)

Well then read this... - mkuller 12:54:32 07/25/09 (3)

Moe - Richard BassNut Greene 08:30:16 07/28/09 (0)

Borne from insecurity -nt - E-Stat 13:09:57 07/25/09 (1)

But isn't that where all of the... - mkuller 13:14:54 07/25/09 (0)

Me too - Richard BassNut Greene 07:59:01 07/24/09 (5)

RE: Me too - Todd Krieger 10:44:46 07/24/09 (3)

Yes: sadly his posts reflect an angry man at war with himself - Sordidman 11:54:43 07/24/09 (2)

Interesting from someone who posts so many attack posts under a sordid moniker - Richard BassNut Greene 14:01:52 07/24/09 (1)

I've never posted an "attack" but, in your war with yourself - Sordidman 15:50:23 07/24/09 (0)

I think you create a false dichotomy - E-Stat 08:51:36 07/24/09 (0)

Soon to be banned from... - mkuller 11:22:42 07/23/09 (1)

Not likely! - bjh 13:59:06 07/23/09 (0)

What Difference Does It Make Why Wires Sound Different? - thetubeguy1954 16:07:01 07/16/09 (32)

RE: What Difference Does It Make Why Wires Sound Different? - rick_m 20:14:04 07/23/09 (0)

RE: What Difference Does It Make Why Wires Sound Different? - Don Till 09:53:05 07/19/09 (29)

RE: What Difference Does It Make Why Wires Sound Different? - kerr 13:04:16 07/19/09 (17)

No one argues that cables can or can't make a difference - Richard BassNut Greene 08:54:54 07/23/09 (15)

Hmmm.... - kerr 04:52:20 07/24/09 (0)

RE: No one argues that cables can or can't make a difference - Todd Krieger 10:26:32 07/23/09 (10)

RE: No one argues that cables can or can't make a difference - Richard BassNut Greene 08:27:34 07/24/09 (9)

You Didn't Address My Concern.............. - Todd Krieger 09:08:52 07/24/09 (8)

I've never encountered someone so focused - E-Stat 14:38:50 07/24/09 (0)

A large percentage of "upgrade" money may be spent on components that make no audible difference - Richard BassNut Greene 14:00:43 07/24/09 (6)

if you were to stand in a room surrounded by mirrors... - robert young 10:06:31 07/25/09 (2)

I Think You're Wrong........ - Todd Krieger 18:25:00 07/25/09 (0)

Ha, the guys in those mirrors would be "attacking" his character -t - Sordidman 15:15:45 07/25/09 (0)

"Audiophile Co-Dependency"......... - Todd Krieger 17:23:33 07/24/09 (0)

"I've witnessed three or four "everything sounds different" audiophiles" - Sordidman 15:47:53 07/24/09 (0)

And, don't tell me - don't tell me - E-Stat 15:28:41 07/24/09 (0)

The only argument is over whether or not we are going to continue to read your posts. nt - Tony Lauck 10:22:48 07/23/09 (2)

If you type a response that means my post is on your screen -- follow your own advice ! - Richard BassNut Greene 14:03:59 07/24/09 (1)

He's just one of hundreds, is everyone else "wrong?" - Sordidman 16:01:27 07/24/09 (0)

You're 100% Correct Kerr! - thetubeguy1954 07:57:09 07/22/09 (0)

If one buys into: "wires may sound different" then we are all system designer/engineers. - Ugly 10:59:45 07/19/09 (10)

Audiophiles should be designers but this doesn't mean they have to be EEs - Don Till 10:07:53 07/20/09 (9)

RE: Engineers work for people with vision. - rick_m 13:23:15 07/20/09 (0)

Well said. I think most EE's may not be completely up to the task either. - Ugly 10:31:22 07/20/09 (7)

RE: memristance? - rick_m 13:17:20 07/20/09 (6)

RE: memristance? - Ugly 13:42:16 07/20/09 (5)

RE: memristance? - rick_m 12:35:02 07/26/09 (1)

RE: memristance? - Ugly 19:10:48 07/26/09 (0)

RE: memristance? - rick_m 14:54:13 07/20/09 (2)

Of course your right. - Ugly 21:38:56 07/20/09 (1)

RE: Of course your right. - rick_m 08:51:58 07/21/09 (0)

Instead of arguing with them or trying to convince them I say ignore them! - LarryB 17:06:29 07/16/09 (0)

It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - Don Till 20:39:57 07/11/09 (30)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - rick_m 10:47:45 07/14/09 (19)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - Don Till 12:40:56 07/14/09 (13)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - rick_m 13:51:46 07/14/09 (6)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - Don Till 20:11:21 07/14/09 (5)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - rick_m 21:56:57 07/14/09 (4)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - Don Till 22:43:16 07/14/09 (3)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - rick_m 07:36:52 07/15/09 (2)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - Don Till 09:17:49 07/16/09 (1)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - rick_m 14:04:35 07/16/09 (0)

You can ignore this OT if you want. - Ugly 12:58:05 07/14/09 (5)

RE: You can ignore this OT if you want. - Don Till 14:52:03 07/14/09 (4)

RE: You can ignore this OT if you want. - Ugly 02:27:25 07/15/09 (3)

RE: You can ignore this OT if you want. - Don Till 10:07:07 07/16/09 (2)

RE: You can ignore this OT if you want. - Ugly 10:36:26 07/16/09 (1)

No apology needed! - Don Till 10:50:37 07/16/09 (0)

so rick_m, would you say that the synergy of systems is a symptom of THE problem? - Ugly 12:21:32 07/14/09 (4)

RE: so rick_m, would you say that the synergy of systems is a symptom of THE problem? - rick_m 15:16:38 07/14/09 (3)

RE: so rick_m, would you say that the synergy of systems is a symptom of THE problem? - Ugly 02:18:21 07/15/09 (2)

Good point. - rick_m 14:05:57 07/15/09 (1)

RE: Good point. - Ugly 08:14:25 07/16/09 (0)

Saying all wires sound different with no proof is just Silly Audio - Richard BassNut Greene 09:25:07 07/14/09 (8)

RE: Saying all wires sound different with no proof is just Silly Audio - Todd Krieger 19:02:27 07/15/09 (1)

I don't know what to say? - Don Till 12:50:30 07/16/09 (0)

This is so ridiculous - it borders on perversion. - carcass93 17:50:13 07/15/09 (4)

Curly - Richard BassNut Greene 08:33:14 07/28/09 (0)

Hold on there - Don Till 10:42:59 07/16/09 (2)

"... intimated by such a remark" - INTIMated? No, I don't feel intimated. - carcass93 11:27:21 07/16/09 (1)

Of course you would rather not dignify the query with a response - Don Till 12:52:47 07/16/09 (0)

I agree! - Don Till 10:18:49 07/14/09 (0)

RE: It seems rather pointless to try to evaluate the "sound" of wires and cables - bjh 06:50:40 07/12/09 (0)

RE: "All Wires Sound Different" and other questionable points - caspian@peak.org 10:19:56 07/11/09 (0)

Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - Norm 08:15:25 07/11/09 (34)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - Don Till 22:37:52 07/12/09 (18)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - bjh 07:03:27 07/13/09 (17)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - Don Till 09:20:23 07/13/09 (16)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - bjh 10:36:58 07/13/09 (15)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - Don Till 16:23:48 07/13/09 (14)

"simple basic fact" There are no facts in science.You are speaking about how EE is taught. I've been there. nt - Norm 20:29:33 07/15/09 (9)

Yea have it your way - RCL in the signal path makes no difference! - Don Till 10:18:27 07/16/09 (4)

It is not "my way," it is not a fact, and you give no proof. nt - Norm 17:42:23 07/27/09 (3)

Cold hearted orb that rules the night, Removes the colours from our sight, - Don Till 18:26:33 07/27/09 (2)

I find you attitude curious. It is fact because you say so? Sorry, no cigar. nt - Norm 19:01:38 07/27/09 (1)

Like I said before Norm - have it your way! - Don Till 07:32:13 07/28/09 (0)

True, only theories in science. Engineers job is to not question theory but assume it IS fact. nt - Ugly 09:12:25 07/16/09 (3)

LOL! Let's just deny the need for cables and interconnects all together! - Don Till 10:15:00 07/16/09 (2)

No, just another *extreme* case... - bjh 13:59:40 07/17/09 (0)

It's a valid approach, that eliminates those unsightly and expensive interconnects. - Ugly 10:45:59 07/16/09 (0)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - bjh 05:35:05 07/14/09 (3)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - Don Till 08:32:45 07/14/09 (2)

RE: Since I buy wine because I like its taste, I don't care whether it can be proven best. - bjh 11:36:28 07/15/09 (1)

That's just wrong - Don Till 10:24:41 07/16/09 (0)

wine Imbued cables with cheese - tomservo 19:13:46 07/11/09 (3)

and dipping sauce. - rick_m 22:35:52 07/11/09 (2)

RE: and dipping sauce. - tomservo 14:31:13 07/12/09 (1)

RE: and dipping sauce. - rick_m 17:47:06 07/12/09 (0)

wine choices and other issues - mls-stl 14:45:20 07/11/09 (10)

RE: wine choices and other issues - Todd Krieger 17:33:42 07/11/09 (1)

)) "Maybe true, but should that really be anybody's business." - mls-stl 19:57:11 07/11/09 (0)

Why would I bother to do this? I don't care whether I always chose A in DBTs. I just enjoy it. - Norm 15:04:00 07/11/09 (7)

You're not reading very carefully - mls-stl 15:43:25 07/11/09 (3)

I take greater offense at those who declare themselve objectivists than the excessive subjectivists. - Norm 17:21:01 07/11/09 (2)

which you take greater offense over... - mls-stl 19:42:46 07/11/09 (1)

Certainly, don't we all live with that? nt - Norm 07:09:57 07/12/09 (0)

Oh, and I would like to know how objectivists choose their equipment if all sound the same. - Norm 15:07:28 07/11/09 (2)

RE: Oh, and I would like to know how objectivists choose their equipment if all sound the same. - gymwear5@hotmail.com 21:05:09 07/15/09 (1)

I had most of this gear. Enjoy. nt - Norm 18:35:03 07/16/09 (0)

All Wires Sound The Same" - Richard BassNut Greene 15:20:12 07/10/09 (24)

...to Mr. Nut...(nt) - mkuller 20:48:53 07/12/09 (0)

All that stuff about inductance, capacitance and RF - E-Stat 12:51:12 07/12/09 (0)

Your statement is much too broad and can't be correct. - Ugly 17:39:13 07/11/09 (5)

Sure it can. All the objective evidence points to that conclusion. - Richard BassNut Greene 16:48:47 07/13/09 (4)

Regardless of YOUR evidence......... - Awe-d-o-file 17:34:14 07/13/09 (3)

The evidence has been collected by many audiophiles over three decades - I exclude all my own evidence - Richard BassNut Greene 09:17:50 07/14/09 (2)

RBNG - keep up the good fight.... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 14:32:56 07/15/09 (1)

What fight? I mention that all components don't sound different in tests & they go berserk like wild animals ! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:58:49 07/16/09 (0)

RE: All Wires Sound The Same" - Todd Krieger 23:17:59 07/10/09 (6)

RE: All Wires Sound The Same" - tomservo 17:35:36 07/11/09 (2)

Meanwhile the Brits are still soldering the speaker cables to the terminals - Cleantimestream 09:11:27 07/13/09 (0)

Yes, darn good point. It is an wire driver system and not just the wire. - Ugly 17:41:33 07/11/09 (0)

Even good insulators conduct...it would just take more power to satisfy the equal SPL rule with high R wires. - Ugly 17:08:33 07/11/09 (0)

RE: All Wires Sound The Same" - Daverz 00:34:48 07/11/09 (1)

On the Other Hand....... - Todd Krieger 16:45:51 07/11/09 (0)

All Bass-nuts misrepresent and disrespect the opinions of others -t - Sordidman 21:23:24 07/10/09 (0)

All BS sounds the same - that's logical conclusion after reading few of your posts. - carcass93 20:31:05 07/10/09 (0)

RE: All Wires Sound The Same" - tpcarter 17:14:48 07/10/09 (6)

SPL is sound pressure level often called "volume" or "loudness" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:06:40 07/13/09 (5)

RE: SPL is sound pressure level often called "volume" or "loudness" - Cleantimestream 09:15:49 07/13/09 (4)

Perception can be remarkably reliable. - bjh 11:41:50 07/15/09 (3)

OR NOT... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 12:15:39 07/15/09 (2)

RE: OR NOT... - Cleantimestream 13:37:51 07/19/09 (1)

RE: OR NOT... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 18:42:56 07/19/09 (0)

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