In Reply to: Nice posted by jneutron on September 6, 2006 at 11:06:42:
1. I make the assumption that they measured a fully loaded amplifier. What load did they use?
So, now, how could you build quite non-existent P.I.M in a power amp ?
Let us first recall how an amplifier is built.
Below, the block diagram
The differential input stage has mutual conductance gm. Assuming the second stage has sufficient open-loop gain over the audio frequency range, the amplifier open loop gain is given by gm/(j ω C).
The closed loop gain is defined by the feedback resistors Rfb1 and Rfb2. We get the following closed-loop gain vs freq and phase angle vs frequency:
The relationship between the actual value of fc and the PIM is well obvious on this figure.
Since the -3dB closed-loop frequency fc is proportional to gm/C, we now know the two sources of PIM: variations in gm and/or variation in C
2. Was their load capable of pulling current at (inverted) nanosecond speeds, or was the amp coasting at the hf?
Answer is just above: no care... (some people are yet preparing their flamethrower...)3. If a reactive load is substituted, are the measurements the same?
you bet the answer: no care...4. If the test signal amplitude is changed, do the results change?
YES: obvious after the explanations above. Which is why a strong and slowing varying 60Hz is added to the 6,000Hz5. If the amp is pushed to output limits that mess damping factor up, does that alter the results?
I shouldn't bet my shirt on this one. Again, current buffer odd behaviour is better flushed out by different tests6. What about measurement of the 6K signal, not the carrier. we're not very sensitive to ITD at 60 Hz..essentially, will the "carrier" time modulate the hf?
Answered above in the first paragraphs
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- Answers for what I know and technical comment on PIM - Jacques 07:49:13 09/07/06 (8)
- Re: Answers for what I know and technical comment on PIM - jneutron 09:00:51 09/07/06 (7)
- PIM and other tests - Jacques 11:22:30 09/07/06 (6)
- Re: PIM and other tests - jneutron 11:35:16 09/07/06 (5)
- Your load resistor - Jacques 01:07:43 09/08/06 (4)
- Sure - jneutron 06:53:50 09/08/06 (3)
- If you have the build sequence - Jacques 07:52:02 09/08/06 (2)
- Picture 8 did not make it, the message did not state why. - jneutron 11:41:20 09/08/06 (0)
- Got pics of the whole shebang - jneutron 09:05:00 09/08/06 (0)