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In Reply to: RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. posted by soundchekk on June 14, 2013 at 00:33:46:
>> You can't just ignore thousands of people who experience
>> differences in SQ with playback SW due to whatever reasons.
There is an elephant in the room on this subject. It is with some irony that over the years I've notice that subjective audiophiles virtually never take subconscious perception issues into account. The implied explanation is that they are able to control for this issue on their own.
However, humans are human and science also requires that researchers control for that issue. If they don't account for perceptual factors, they've done nothing more than post another opinion. I'm fine with that, people are free to like what they like, but often the stated reasons for the differences they hear are only conjecture.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Archimago 08:15:23 06/13/13 (140)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 23:42:41 06/14/13 (13)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 08:09:45 06/15/13 (12)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 09:15:48 06/15/13 (11)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 11:34:52 06/15/13 (10)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 22:54:37 06/15/13 (9)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 13:10:19 06/16/13 (8)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 13:32:07 06/16/13 (7)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 21:33:16 06/16/13 (6)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 21:55:31 06/16/13 (5)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 07:13:35 06/17/13 (3)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 09:06:53 06/17/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Tony Lauck 08:43:40 06/17/13 (1)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Thorsten 09:16:36 06/17/13 (0)
- aha! I'm with you now. Thanks for explaining. nt - Ugly 22:07:46 06/16/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - SBGK 16:42:18 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 14:19:55 06/14/13 (8)
- RE: Thanks! - Bob_C 14:50:50 06/14/13 (7)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 15:19:10 06/14/13 (6)
- RE: Thanks! - Bob_C 15:30:56 06/14/13 (5)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 15:48:30 06/14/13 (4)
- RE: Thanks! - Bob_C 16:21:00 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Thanks! - Jaundiced Ear 17:07:51 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Thanks! - Say 15:54:36 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Thanks! - Say 16:15:19 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Recorder 13:35:03 06/14/13 (2)
- Or, equally, those who expect to hear differences will hear differences ?? - Feanor 14:42:18 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Or, equally, those who expect to hear differences will hear differences ?? - Recorder 06:56:09 06/15/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Les C 11:26:41 06/14/13 (0)
- Evidence - audioengr 10:45:19 06/14/13 (3)
- RE: Evidence - Bob_C 15:42:35 06/14/13 (2)
- RE: Evidence - audioengr 18:18:43 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Evidence - Bob_C 18:30:26 06/14/13 (0)
- I don't see where you have your audio system listed ? ? ? - bwb 09:38:18 06/14/13 (14)
- DOES IT MATTER? RE: I don't see where you have your audio system listed ? ? ? - Archimago 17:18:43 06/14/13 (12)
- It is not the money spent - - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 10:57:33 06/15/13 (0)
- are you kidding? .... yes, it makes all the difference in the world when talking about how something sounds - bwb 20:31:50 06/14/13 (8)
- RE: are you kidding? .... yes, it makes all the difference in the world when talking about how something sounds - SBGK 15:29:16 06/26/13 (0)
- RE: are you kidding? .... yes, it makes all the difference in the world when talking about how something sounds - Archimago 23:11:50 06/14/13 (6)
- What is your capture hardware? - Ugly 07:56:09 06/15/13 (4)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Archimago 08:28:48 06/16/13 (3)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Ugly 12:37:14 06/16/13 (1)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Tony Lauck 09:17:40 06/17/13 (0)
- RE: What is your capture hardware? - Tony Lauck 10:05:11 06/16/13 (0)
- I stand corrected, but still have concerns about your tests - bwb 07:49:26 06/15/13 (0)
- It only becomes an issue when you move from 'measurements', such as the are... - Ivan303 18:05:02 06/14/13 (1)
- Ears... - Archimago 18:27:41 06/14/13 (0)
- If he has - JeffH 10:18:28 06/14/13 (0)
- Great work: many thanks ... and I like it because it supports my own, subjective impressions - Feanor 07:53:09 06/14/13 (0)
- How are you measuring noise down around -120dB when the published spec of your $200 box is less than that ? - bwb 07:20:24 06/14/13 (6)
- SNR of specifications vs. noise floor of FFT - andy_c 10:06:17 06/14/13 (4)
- RE: SNR of specifications vs. noise floor of FFT - Tony Lauck 12:27:26 06/14/13 (1)
- What you have posted - fmak 23:40:57 06/14/13 (0)
- Are you saying his measurements showing noise and jitter at -150dB are valid? - bwb 11:41:24 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Are you saying his measurements showing noise and jitter at -150dB are valid? - andy_c 13:25:09 06/14/13 (0)
- well, - fmak 08:53:17 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - soundchekk 00:33:46 06/14/13 (10)
- Exceptions - audioengr 10:58:53 06/14/13 (1)
- This belief seems to go both ways here.... - Ugly 07:35:34 06/15/13 (0)
- "What's missing is to figure out why players sound different on thousands of installations out there." - Feanor 07:48:07 06/14/13 (4)
- RE: "What's missing is to figure out why players sound different on thousands of installations out there." - rick_m 11:40:03 06/14/13 (2)
- Up for a DBT? - Feanor 17:22:39 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Up for a DBT? - rick_m 18:42:22 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: "What's missing is to figure out why players sound different on thousands of installations out there." - Presto 09:51:53 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - mls-stl 05:56:13 06/14/13 (2)
- Not only that - JeffH 08:35:27 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Not only that - Bob_C 15:14:54 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 22:01:03 06/13/13 (2)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Tony Lauck 11:53:09 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Ugly 15:28:49 06/15/13 (0)
- indistinguishable - Tony Lauck 17:29:31 06/13/13 (27)
- RE: indistinguishable - Scrith 10:08:49 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable - mls-stl 19:36:30 06/13/13 (25)
- Really? Is it enough to share your beliefs.to be considered a "genuinely good guy"? - carcass93 11:15:36 06/19/13 (1)
- RE: Really? Is it enough to share your beliefs.to be considered a "genuinely good guy"? - Ugly 08:54:19 06/23/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable - Tony Lauck 07:15:42 06/14/13 (3)
- " This isn't kindergarten." - mls-stl 10:48:24 06/14/13 (1)
- I thought you left earlier today ? - bwb 11:23:52 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable - Mercman 07:24:15 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: indistinguishable-The Opinion is - fmak 22:03:39 06/13/13 (18)
- You miss the point... - mls-stl 05:43:42 06/14/13 (17)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - fmak 05:53:58 06/14/13 (16)
- What would you suggest would be less nasty? - Ugly 07:22:10 06/15/13 (0)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Archimago 17:32:23 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Bob_C 21:13:33 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Bob_C 15:20:45 06/14/13 (0)
- that last sentence was an excellent summation - Joe Murphy Jr 07:18:38 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: You miss the point...No, I made a point - Mercman 07:16:46 06/14/13 (3)
- May I add - fmak 02:11:35 06/15/13 (2)
- RE: May I add - Les C 04:49:15 06/15/13 (1)
- RE: May I add - Les C 04:53:06 06/15/13 (0)
- Sigh.... - mls-stl 05:58:12 06/14/13 (6)
- RE: Sigh.... - rick_m 09:22:38 06/14/13 (5)
- agree that his measurements are indeed measurements... - fmak 02:13:29 06/15/13 (2)
- RE: agree that his measurements are indeed measurements... - rick_m 07:00:02 06/15/13 (1)
- RE: agree that his measurements are indeed measurements... - Tony Lauck 11:07:43 06/15/13 (0)
- yes they are measurements and nothing wrong with measurements in general if properly analyzed. but - bwb 09:45:29 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: yes they are measurements and nothing wrong with measurements in general if properly analyzed. but - Bob_C 15:25:28 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Say 17:07:16 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Mercman 10:59:29 06/13/13 (25)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Bob_C 12:35:23 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Archimago 12:02:03 06/13/13 (23)
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - Mercman 12:19:56 06/13/13 (22)
- Julian loved his measurements - bwb 13:08:08 06/13/13 (21)
- "If you're looking for a"... - E-Stat 20:19:36 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Mercman 13:31:11 06/13/13 (19)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - theob 08:46:43 06/14/13 (0)
- My favorite was - E-Stat 20:31:23 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - rick_m 16:54:12 06/13/13 (9)
- But them were the days - Tony Lauck 17:54:46 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Mercman 17:25:41 06/13/13 (7)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - theob 08:53:57 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Bob_C 21:29:27 06/13/13 (3)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - John Swenson 16:15:34 06/21/13 (1)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Bob_C 10:16:04 06/22/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - Mercman 00:26:09 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - rick_m 20:01:17 06/13/13 (1)
- It was simply - fmak 00:25:51 06/14/13 (0)
- RE: Julian loved his measurements - DrChaos 14:59:00 06/13/13 (1)
- there was a battle to get ever lower and lower distortion, particularly as I recal Total Harmonic distortion - bwb 16:10:30 06/13/13 (0)
- you need to qualify that last statement - bwb 13:56:48 06/13/13 (4)
- RE: you need to qualify that last statement - joelha 14:15:28 06/13/13 (3)
- But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - Presto 15:10:49 06/13/13 (2)
- RE: But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - Tony Lauck 17:49:11 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: But, what does "bitperfect is bitperfect" **MEAN**?? - joelha 16:23:18 06/13/13 (0)
- Erroneous conclusions from a poor sampling -t - Sordidman 10:09:31 06/13/13 (13)
- Since - fmak 10:48:22 06/13/13 (12)
- the results are not known before the results - DrChaos 12:53:17 06/13/13 (6)
- high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - Sordidman 13:31:18 06/13/13 (5)
- RE: high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - DrChaos 14:58:09 06/13/13 (4)
- Well, - in my experience, that is rarely the case.... - Sordidman 15:35:40 06/13/13 (0)
- RE: high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - Presto 15:34:41 06/13/13 (2)
- RE: high end gear downstream, (where differences really show), - Mercman 15:49:51 06/13/13 (1)
- Not even high end gear - fmak 00:27:45 06/14/13 (0)
- Good point, but then, the next question: why blog? -t - Sordidman 10:56:28 06/13/13 (4)
- RE: Good point, but then, the next question: why blog? -t - Archimago 11:59:16 06/13/13 (3)
- Yes, good if you're having fun & enjoying yourself - Sordidman 13:29:51 06/13/13 (0)
- BTW... Software bug... - Archimago 12:05:15 06/13/13 (1)
- RE: BTW... Software bug...who owns and - fmak 05:59:13 06/14/13 (0)
- I've been testing some players recently too... - Presto 09:49:31 06/13/13 (1)
- RE: I've been testing some players recently too... - Archimago 12:07:41 06/13/13 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: TESTS: Round-up of Windows and Mac Audio Players. - mls-stl 05:56:13 06/14/13 (2)
- Not only that - JeffH 08:35:27 06/14/13 (1)
- RE: Not only that - Bob_C 15:14:54 06/14/13 (0)
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