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In Reply to: So those are the only two choices? posted by Nietzschelover on March 12, 2011 at 14:25:18:
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - The controversial Stereophile article is on-line. - Tony Lauck 10:12:34 03/12/11 (290)
- As long as that idiocy doesn't become a norm of what's printed in Stereophile,... - carcass93 11:00:05 03/14/11 (0)
- not this - Steyr 06:36:33 03/14/11 (0)
- EVERYTHING written so far is a rehash of the same stuff.. Jeez beat a dead horse all over again. - Elizabeth 22:07:14 03/13/11 (1)
- Same with any controversy here... - mkuller 11:22:37 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: The controversial Stereophile article is on-line. - kurt s 19:18:53 03/13/11 (13)
- He's not talking about subjectivity - Analog Scott 23:21:30 03/13/11 (12)
- RE: He's not talking about subjectivity - kurt s 02:40:46 03/14/11 (11)
- This is obfuscation - Jim Austin 08:02:52 03/14/11 (6)
- No, it's called reality. Deal with it. nt - kurt s 11:15:48 03/14/11 (5)
- Reality is a crutch. (nt) - Dave Pogue 20:16:24 03/14/11 (3)
- Reality is what's left over when one's wishful thinking has ended - kurt s 22:39:13 03/14/11 (2)
- One additional overall concept to consider - kurt s 04:48:56 03/15/11 (1)
- RE: One additional overall concept to consider - Analog Scott 09:17:03 03/19/11 (0)
- ;-) nt - Jim Austin 11:20:05 03/14/11 (0)
- "Okay, what's objective about it?" - Analog Scott 05:57:15 03/14/11 (3)
- RE: "Okay, what's objective about it?" - kurt s 06:24:07 03/14/11 (2)
- OK read the article... - Analog Scott 23:17:29 03/14/11 (1)
- Thanks for your input. nt - kurt s 02:04:14 03/15/11 (0)
- Footnote 2: The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (1995). - geoffkait 04:57:15 03/13/11 (5)
- That is a great drawing of a succubus. - Nietzschelover 07:13:46 03/13/11 (4)
- Nah, Captain Beefheart...(nt) - mkuller 15:52:30 03/13/11 (0)
- Oooops, my mistake. I thought it was an unscientific audiophile. nt - geoffkait 07:31:00 03/13/11 (2)
- The sleeper may be the unscientific audiophile. But succubi are female. Geoff, you would be an incubus. LOL. - Nietzschelover 08:28:27 03/13/11 (1)
- Fair enough. - geoffkait 10:26:22 03/13/11 (0)
- The "Low Opinion of Science" Myth........... - Todd Krieger 00:43:15 03/13/11 (110)
- The Low Opinion folks are not the subjectivists - kerr 11:14:50 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: The "Low Opinion of Science" Myth........... - regmac 15:06:09 03/13/11 (42)
- So the test tests a person's ability on taking tests... - RGA 13:33:01 03/15/11 (3)
- Excellent post... - mkuller 19:06:07 03/16/11 (2)
- RE: Excellent post... - RGA 18:23:57 03/20/11 (1)
- Similar to what... - mkuller 19:10:53 03/20/11 (0)
- How do you like - E-Stat 11:42:00 03/14/11 (0)
- "differences between ... amplifiers ... are subtle at best" - do you seriously expect... - carcass93 10:51:46 03/14/11 (11)
- Said particular deaf dumb pseudo-audiophile - josh358 17:40:46 03/16/11 (10)
- Great! But so is, for instance, ... - carcass93 09:47:32 03/17/11 (9)
- The point of my reply was - josh358 14:35:21 03/17/11 (8)
- I didn't know it was you. So, let's see here... - carcass93 15:00:46 03/17/11 (7)
- RE: I didn't know it was you. So, let's see here... - Tony Lauck 17:27:36 03/17/11 (0)
- RE: I didn't know it was you. So, let's see here... - josh358 16:20:39 03/17/11 (5)
- "freq response differences are equalized out" - is this a joke? - carcass93 11:47:16 03/18/11 (4)
- RE: "freq response differences are equalized out" - is this a joke? - josh358 18:20:45 03/19/11 (0)
- RE: "freq response differences are equalized out" - is this a joke? - Tony Lauck 14:13:33 03/18/11 (2)
- I see your point. Still not sure how the subject of EQ entered the argument about differences in amplifiers. - carcass93 15:19:31 03/18/11 (1)
- RE: I see your point. Still not sure how the subject of EQ entered the argument about differences in amplifiers. - Tony Lauck 15:30:56 03/18/11 (0)
- as a subjectivist who prefers to do comparisons under blind conditions... - Analog Scott 16:31:56 03/13/11 (8)
- Just out of curiosity have you tested any controversial tweaks? nt - geoffkait 16:52:39 03/13/11 (7)
- I have auditioned many. both under sighted and blind conditions. nt - Analog Scott 16:56:17 03/13/11 (6)
- Can I assume the results met with your expectations? nt - geoffkait 05:03:15 03/15/11 (5)
- You can assume whatever you want - Analog Scott 05:09:50 03/15/11 (4)
- RE: "Some patterns emerge" - geoffkait 06:13:12 03/15/11 (3)
- No not like a Rorschach test. - Analog Scott 21:30:55 03/15/11 (2)
- RE: No not like a Rorschach test. - geoffkait 11:25:51 03/16/11 (1)
- RE: No not like a Rorschach test. - Analog Scott 15:50:56 03/16/11 (0)
- Subtle... - mkuller 15:51:11 03/13/11 (15)
- Awww, Mike, you're still dodging, deflecting and equivocating. - regmac 07:39:03 03/14/11 (1)
- Keep on dreaming... - mkuller 10:24:02 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Subtle... - kerr 05:53:43 03/14/11 (12)
- It can be a matter of definition - josh358 17:53:48 03/16/11 (11)
- It usually is, I think - kerr 05:40:08 03/17/11 (10)
- Perfect is the enemy of good - josh358 08:20:16 03/17/11 (7)
- RE: Perfect is the enemy of good - regmac 08:42:43 03/17/11 (2)
- RE: Perfect is the enemy of good - josh358 14:41:13 03/17/11 (0)
- Not to play word games... - kerr 09:30:11 03/17/11 (0)
- RE: Perfect is the enemy of good - kerr 08:26:34 03/17/11 (3)
- RE: Perfect is the enemy of good - josh358 14:44:40 03/17/11 (2)
- RE: Perfect is the enemy of good - kerr 04:38:12 03/18/11 (1)
- RE: Perfect is the enemy of good - josh358 11:18:29 03/18/11 (0)
- RE: It usually is, I think - regmac 07:54:09 03/17/11 (1)
- RE: It usually is, I think - kerr 08:22:18 03/17/11 (0)
- Audiophiles have a "low opinion of pseudoscience"... - mkuller 11:46:13 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: The "Low Opinion of Science" Myth........... - Analog Scott 11:00:33 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: The "Low Opinion of Science" Myth........... - Pat D 10:00:32 03/13/11 (48)
- An actual "scientific test"... - mkuller 11:39:54 03/13/11 (44)
- C'mon, Mike, this isn't about testing methodology. This goes to credibility. - regmac 13:05:25 03/14/11 (40)
- Have you ever participated in any blind tests... - mkuller 13:28:55 03/14/11 (39)
- Michael, my good man, you have lurched far afield from the subject of my inquiry. - regmac 08:20:19 03/15/11 (38)
- When I was reviewing... - mkuller 10:10:53 03/15/11 (0)
- "I want that third alternative!" - James T. Kirk - kurt s 10:05:25 03/15/11 (0)
- Reviewers credibility - kerr 09:52:22 03/15/11 (35)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - regmac 16:05:59 03/15/11 (34)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - Tony Lauck 19:39:26 03/16/11 (2)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - regmac 07:50:43 03/17/11 (1)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - Tony Lauck 09:46:36 03/17/11 (0)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - kerr 04:52:11 03/16/11 (30)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - regmac 06:59:18 03/16/11 (29)
- Talk about fallacious argument - kurt s 08:41:15 03/16/11 (19)
- Indeed. - regmac 09:26:19 03/16/11 (18)
- Oops! - kurt s 20:20:37 03/16/11 (0)
- But in this case...follow along with me here... - mkuller 11:55:10 03/16/11 (16)
- RE: But in this case...follow along with me here... - regmac 12:18:49 03/16/11 (15)
- One more thing... - mkuller 12:34:58 03/17/11 (4)
- Your level matching standard of .1 dB was established by DBTs! - Pat D 20:10:08 03/17/11 (3)
- RE: Your level matching standard of .1 dB was established by DBTs! - Tony Lauck 14:25:26 03/18/11 (0)
- Not 0.1dB... - mkuller 11:07:14 03/18/11 (0)
- No disagreement there! - E-Stat 07:47:31 03/18/11 (0)
- Let's wrap it up... - mkuller 12:41:45 03/16/11 (9)
- As soon as you answer my questions. - regmac 07:40:28 03/18/11 (8)
- You say speculation... - mkuller 11:04:21 03/18/11 (7)
- RE: You say speculation... - regmac 12:49:25 03/18/11 (6)
- RE: You say speculation... - kurt s 03:34:23 03/19/11 (4)
- RE: You say speculation... - regmac 10:01:34 03/20/11 (3)
- That's solid, baby! - kurt s 19:58:46 03/20/11 (0)
- Wow, Reggie... - mkuller 14:44:02 03/20/11 (0)
- RE: You say speculation... - Tony Lauck 13:26:33 03/20/11 (0)
- Sorry, you're simply... - mkuller 13:38:54 03/18/11 (0)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - kerr 08:20:32 03/16/11 (8)
- RE: Reviewers credibility - regmac 09:10:35 03/16/11 (6)
- I apologize - kerr 13:37:42 03/16/11 (5)
- I knew you would. - regmac 16:47:32 03/16/11 (4)
- RE: I knew you would. - kerr 05:36:55 03/17/11 (2)
- RE: I knew you would. - regmac 07:24:02 03/17/11 (1)
- After further reflection... - kerr 09:32:32 03/17/11 (0)
- I stopped wanting to review equipment as a result of this responsibility - kurt s 20:33:19 03/16/11 (0)
- Well done, kerr. You're absolutely correct on this one. nt - kurt s 08:43:37 03/16/11 (0)
- RE: An actual "scientific test"... - Pat D 18:29:29 03/13/11 (2)
- You start - E-Stat 06:50:16 03/14/11 (0)
- Known and unknown variables.. - mkuller 20:26:02 03/13/11 (0)
- "Actually, there is nothing to prevent a single individual from doing a blind test." - Analog Scott 11:03:36 03/13/11 (2)
- RE: "Actually, there is nothing to prevent a single individual from doing a blind test." - Pat D 17:53:29 03/13/11 (1)
- But that has nothing to do with science...(nt) - mkuller 11:19:35 03/14/11 (0)
- Then comes the next level of unscientific assumptions - E-Stat 09:04:03 03/13/11 (13)
- RE: Then comes the next level of unscientific assumptions - Pat D 10:02:45 03/13/11 (12)
- I can assure you - E-Stat 10:37:35 03/13/11 (11)
- RE: I can assure you - Pat D 15:19:25 03/13/11 (10)
- All conditions - E-Stat 17:01:17 03/13/11 (9)
- RE: All conditions - Pat D 17:41:51 03/13/11 (8)
- Those who measure electricial interference - E-Stat 06:18:53 03/14/11 (6)
- PCABX software? - Tony Lauck 09:39:56 03/14/11 (5)
- Good question - E-Stat 10:22:13 03/14/11 (0)
- Isn't that Arnie Kreuger's stuff? - mkuller 10:20:32 03/14/11 (3)
- RE: Isn't that Arnie Kreuger's stuff? - Tony Lauck 11:25:17 03/14/11 (0)
- Arnie is rapid (with his knee-jerking) all right ... but I believe you meant "rabid". N/T - carcass93 10:47:30 03/14/11 (1)
- Yes, I did...thanks...(nt) - mkuller 11:20:19 03/14/11 (0)
- Inserting a box... - mkuller 20:33:54 03/13/11 (0)
- How many people reading these posts have PhD's in the hard sciences, anyway? nt - Nietzschelover 06:54:04 03/13/11 (0)
- "Rigorous tests" ???? NT - Frihed89 00:15:02 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: The controversial Stereophile article is on-line. - tmsorosk 14:15:43 03/12/11 (44)
- RE: The controversial Stereophile article is on-line. - Tony Lauck 19:56:17 03/12/11 (43)
- RE: The controversial Stereophile article is on-line. - May Belt 08:42:50 03/13/11 (42)
- "But what happens when there are no meaningful measurements and there are no conclusive results from DB trials - Analog Scott 10:19:16 03/13/11 (41)
- RE: "But what happens when there are no meaningful measurements and there are no conclusive results from DB trials - May Belt 11:50:47 03/15/11 (1)
- RE: "But what happens when there are no meaningful measurements and there are no conclusive results from DB trials - Analog Scott 21:29:40 03/16/11 (0)
- RE: "But what happens when there are no meaningful measurements and there are no conclusive results from DB trials - Tony Lauck 10:30:28 03/14/11 (38)
- I agree with your basic assertion about the lack of science in audio - Analog Scott 23:23:54 03/14/11 (34)
- RE: I agree with your basic assertion about the lack of science in audio - May Belt 11:52:42 03/15/11 (16)
- RE: I agree with your basic assertion about the lack of science in audio - Analog Scott 21:41:45 03/16/11 (15)
- RE: I agree with your basic assertion about the lack of science in audio - May Belt 05:41:32 03/17/11 (14)
- Are you serious May? - Analog Scott 19:06:09 03/17/11 (13)
- RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? - May Belt 11:38:12 03/18/11 (12)
- RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? - Analog Scott 23:49:01 03/18/11 (11)
- RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? - May Belt 08:49:32 03/19/11 (10)
- RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? - Analog Scott 09:38:29 03/19/11 (9)
- RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? - geoffkait 10:37:20 03/19/11 (8)
- geoff give it up. Youa re a con artist - Analog Scott 11:00:22 03/19/11 (7)
- Psychotic ranting from career ignoramous. We've seen your type before. - geoffkait 11:59:28 03/19/11 (6)
- "name calling is not a very sophisticated method of argument" - Analog Scott 12:16:03 03/19/11 (5)
- The fox smells his own hole. nt - geoffkait 12:31:33 03/19/11 (4)
- Another rare admission. You might be on the verge of a public ocnfession - Analog Scott 13:52:21 03/19/11 (3)
- And you might set the record for masturbating in public. nt - geoffkait 14:10:37 03/19/11 (2)
- classy - Analog Scott 15:32:59 03/19/11 (1)
- Thanks. I thought so. nt - geoffkait 16:21:24 03/19/11 (0)
- RE: "There is no excuse for making such claims and then chosing to never do bias controlled listening tests." - geoffkait 03:30:34 03/15/11 (16)
- "Belts do bias controlled listening tests" - Analog Scott 05:17:50 03/15/11 (15)
- RE: "Please show me the evidence that supports the claimed mechanisms of causation as put forth by the Belts." - geoffkait 05:59:47 03/15/11 (14)
- RE: "Please show me the evidence that supports the claimed mechanisms of causation as put forth by the Belts." - Analog Scott 21:13:19 03/16/11 (13)
- RE: "...you believe it's all bullshit that was a pretty good impression of the people you are ripping off." - geoffkait 03:07:53 03/17/11 (12)
- geoff you seem to be in a bit of a panic. - Analog Scott 19:08:34 03/17/11 (11)
- Your frustration is showing again, Scotty - geoffkait 03:49:46 03/18/11 (10)
- Why do you feel like a cornered rat geoff? - Analog Scott 05:18:23 03/18/11 (9)
- You got it backasswards, Scotty - geoffkait 05:52:00 03/18/11 (8)
- "Is it true that when you lie your pants really do catch fire?" - Analog Scott 23:15:52 03/18/11 (7)
- Just more goofball Hollywood hairdresser hystrionics. - geoffkait 04:00:19 03/19/11 (6)
- I did not know you wanted to be a Hollywood hairdresser. - Analog Scott 08:09:59 03/19/11 (5)
- Everyone has big dreams. But cutting hair seems so, uh, dreary. To each his own. LOL - geoffkait 12:16:20 03/19/11 (4)
- not my cup of tea either. But clearly a huge step up from consumer fraud - Analog Scott 13:54:22 03/19/11 (3)
- Did you get your career break at Haircuttery? Just curious. nt - geoffkait 14:15:58 03/19/11 (2)
- You curious? Sorry, can't buy anything you say - Analog Scott 15:34:45 03/19/11 (1)
- I feel like I should probably ask - are you on some sort of medication? - geoffkait 16:35:09 03/19/11 (0)
- RE: "...audible improvements have become subject to the law of diminishing returns." LOL - geoffkait 10:45:42 03/14/11 (2)
- RE: "...audible improvements have become subject to the law of diminishing returns." LOL - Tony Lauck 12:04:54 03/14/11 (1)
- Sorry to hear about the problems with your system. - geoffkait 17:00:06 03/14/11 (0)
- Another comment ... - bjh 12:02:02 03/12/11 (104)
- RE: Another comment ... - Jim Austin 07:53:35 03/14/11 (5)
- RE: Another comment ... - kerr 11:28:00 03/14/11 (4)
- RE: Another comment ... - geoffkait 14:59:19 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Another comment ... - Charles Hansen 12:31:59 03/14/11 (2)
- RE: Another comment ... - Eric B 17:22:05 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Another comment ... - kerr 15:43:52 03/14/11 (0)
- RE: Another comment ... - Pat D 21:19:02 03/12/11 (49)
- But pro-ABX expert Tom Nousaine says... - mkuller 10:30:51 03/14/11 (48)
- Not fair. - Analog Scott 23:30:03 03/14/11 (0)
- Sure enough - E-Stat 10:49:32 03/14/11 (46)
- RE: Sure enough - Pat D 13:19:24 03/14/11 (13)
- RE: Sure enough - Tony Lauck 21:44:03 03/14/11 (0)
- For anyone who understands statistics, I already have :) - E-Stat 19:05:06 03/14/11 (9)
- I have often pointed out one cannot prove the null hypothesis. - Pat D 12:21:02 03/15/11 (8)
- And apparently need to be reminded of that - E-Stat 13:12:26 03/15/11 (6)
- RE: And apparently need to be reminded of that - Pat D 09:03:10 03/16/11 (5)
- How little you understand - E-Stat 11:41:13 03/16/11 (4)
- RE: How little you understand - Pat D 09:15:05 03/17/11 (3)
- What are you smoking? - E-Stat 09:47:07 03/17/11 (2)
- I don't smoke, - Pat D 17:01:24 03/17/11 (1)
- Perhaps it's time for you to start...(nt) - mkuller 10:40:39 03/19/11 (0)
- I have often pointed out one cannot prove the null hypothesis. - mkuller 13:06:59 03/15/11 (0)
- That's the problem - see how easily fooled you are... - mkuller 16:04:14 03/14/11 (0)
- He did show Nousaine is wrong - he did that with his own ears and system. - carcass93 14:02:52 03/14/11 (0)
- A good example of... - kerr 11:16:02 03/14/11 (31)
- That implies - E-Stat 11:31:42 03/14/11 (30)
- RE: That implies - John Atkinson 14:05:40 03/14/11 (28)
- At least he produced data you could analyze. - Pat D 14:32:52 03/15/11 (3)
- RE: At least he produced data you could analyze. - tmsorosk 15:21:56 03/15/11 (2)
- RE: At least he produced data you could analyze. - Pat D 08:43:03 03/16/11 (1)
- RE: At least he produced data you could analyze. - Tony Lauck 12:31:09 03/17/11 (0)
- Yep cherry picking among anecdotal tests. - Analog Scott 23:36:20 03/14/11 (14)
- RE: Yep cherry picking among anecdotal tests. - Pat D 12:02:13 03/15/11 (13)
- "Actually, you have no reason to call the test junk science" - Analog Scott 21:45:03 03/16/11 (12)
- RE: "Actually, you have no reason to call the test junk science" - Pat D 04:58:56 03/17/11 (11)
- I am making sense - Analog Scott 20:30:08 03/17/11 (4)
- RE: I am making sense - Tony Lauck 18:01:37 03/18/11 (3)
- RE: I am making sense - Analog Scott 08:12:50 03/19/11 (2)
- RE: I am making sense - Tony Lauck 08:35:07 03/19/11 (1)
- The sad thing is... - Analog Scott 08:47:20 03/19/11 (0)
- FAIL - E-Stat 06:40:38 03/17/11 (5)
- We already know that from JA. - Pat D 08:09:01 03/17/11 (4)
- FAIL again - E-Stat 09:04:08 03/17/11 (3)
- No evidence. - Pat D 09:17:35 03/17/11 (2)
- RE: No evidence. - Analog Scott 20:34:57 03/17/11 (1)
- RE: No evidence. - Pat D 21:20:16 03/17/11 (0)
- Howard Ferstler... - mkuller 19:03:11 03/14/11 (4)
- RE: Howard Ferstler... - Tony Lauck 23:03:29 03/14/11 (3)
- Don't tell me! - E-Stat 07:51:34 03/15/11 (2)
- RE: Don't tell me! - Tony Lauck 09:04:38 03/15/11 (1)
- Like I've always said about jj... - mkuller 20:51:13 03/15/11 (0)
- RE: That implies - kerr 15:51:50 03/14/11 (2)
- Clarification - John Atkinson 07:19:12 03/15/11 (1)
- RE: Clarification - kerr 10:01:34 03/15/11 (0)
- Very well said, sir - E-Stat 15:37:19 03/14/11 (0)
- Guys like that should... - mkuller 12:59:15 03/14/11 (0)
- Yeah. FAR better to accept any and all crazy claims from goofballs - Elizabeth 12:46:41 03/12/11 (47)
- The silly sensationalist stuff really has no place in the arguement ... - bjh 17:26:59 03/12/11 (18)
- What is sensationalist about asking for evidence concerning what something does? - Pat D 21:08:51 03/12/11 (17)
- Exactly what scientific evidence have you based... - mkuller 12:39:26 03/13/11 (16)
- Silly question. - Pat D 15:16:24 03/13/11 (15)
- You commented on components, not a complete system. - Tony Lauck 09:30:48 03/14/11 (1)
- RE: You commented on components, not a complete system. - Pat D 18:15:39 03/14/11 (0)
- Measurements are indeed scientific... - mkuller 15:53:53 03/13/11 (12)
- When your performance criteria - E-Stat 06:25:41 03/14/11 (11)
- Both of you pretend not to understand the point I was making. - Pat D 09:22:12 03/17/11 (10)
- The Discriminating Audiophile - E-Stat 09:28:30 03/17/11 (9)
- RE: The Discriminating Audiophile - Pat D 09:39:30 03/17/11 (8)
- We already know that - E-Stat 11:26:00 03/17/11 (6)
- So you guys have no real arguments. - Pat D 14:28:43 03/17/11 (5)
- The objectivist speaker canard... - mkuller 19:57:26 03/17/11 (4)
- I beg your pardon! - Pat D 09:19:42 03/21/11 (3)
- Perception... - mkuller 09:27:00 03/21/11 (2)
- RE: Perception... - Pat D 20:44:56 03/21/11 (1)
- And reality... - mkuller 21:49:30 03/21/11 (0)
- Talk about baseless claims... - mkuller 09:56:23 03/17/11 (0)
- So those are the only two choices? - Nietzschelover 14:25:18 03/12/11 (27)
- No, the real solution is to find a way to accept both sides and using one's one insight to follow a reasonable - Elizabeth 18:26:36 03/12/11 (24)
- "Funny how only the crazy EXPENSIVE tweaks have these "quantum" etc explanations." - Analog Scott 14:50:30 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: "I have a problem with expensive tweaks based on bogus science." - geoffkait 07:23:45 03/13/11 (0)
- If "try any crazy thing" didn't, sometimes, trump common sense, my wife would never have married me. - Nietzschelover 06:13:30 03/13/11 (0)
- Yup - TomLarson 20:28:35 03/12/11 (20)
- RE: "Very few money back guarantees from the outrageous tweakers" - geoffkait 05:28:55 03/13/11 (19)
- FWIW I can verify that Machina Dynamica does have a money back guarantee - Nietzschelover 06:27:56 03/13/11 (18)
- RE: FWIW I can verify that Machina Dynamica does have a money back guarantee - TomLarson 09:38:46 03/13/11 (17)
- RE: FWIW I can verify that Machina Dynamica does have a money back guarantee - geoffkait 09:44:41 03/13/11 (16)
- RE: FWIW I can verify that Machina Dynamica does have a money back guarantee - TomLarson 09:49:45 03/13/11 (15)
- RE: FWIW I can verify that Machina Dynamica does have a money back guarantee - geoffkait 10:11:02 03/13/11 (14)
- How does money back on Teleportation Tweak work? - Tony Lauck 20:08:13 03/13/11 (10)
- Like this - andy_c 08:26:13 03/14/11 (2)
- I didn't find the link helpful. - Tony Lauck 09:18:00 03/14/11 (1)
- RE: I didn't find the link helpful. - geoffkait 10:33:57 03/14/11 (0)
- Simple - geoffkait 07:08:35 03/14/11 (6)
- Nice try. - Tony Lauck 09:33:56 03/14/11 (5)
- RE: Nice try. - geoffkait 10:31:26 03/14/11 (4)
- RE: Nice try. - Tony Lauck 10:48:15 03/14/11 (3)
- RE: Nice try. - geoffkait 11:15:49 03/14/11 (2)
- "I've lost track of the number of customers" Yes I'm not surprised ... - bjh 08:21:28 03/16/11 (1)
- RE: "I've lost track of the number of customers" Yes I'm not surprised ... - geoffkait 09:13:02 03/16/11 (0)
- Dakiom does not give refunds nt - Elizabeth 12:52:47 03/13/11 (1)
- But their tweaks are not "outrageous." Hell, they don't even believe in break in. nt - geoffkait 13:23:12 03/13/11 (0)
- RE: FWIW I can verify that Machina Dynamica does have a money back guarantee - TomLarson 12:04:58 03/13/11 (0)
- Re train wreck: I heard no audible difference. nt - TomLarson 18:15:13 03/12/11 (1)
- I am confused, as usual. "I heard no audible difference", between what? - Nietzschelover 06:41:57 03/13/11 (0)
- Trust you ears - dogma? How about a roll call of editor and reviewers from Stereophile on this question .... - bjh 11:44:11 03/12/11 (3)
- Perhaps the ghost of Julian Hirsch has eaten JA's soul. - Nietzschelover 14:40:57 03/12/11 (1)
- With age comes a blunting of not just the senses. :( nt - bjh 17:28:42 03/12/11 (0)
- perhaps it depends on how cute you are ... - TBone 12:13:52 03/12/11 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re train wreck: I heard no audible difference. nt - TomLarson 18:15:13 03/12/11 (1)
- I am confused, as usual. "I heard no audible difference", between what? - Nietzschelover 06:41:57 03/13/11 (0)