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Posted on April 18, 2024 at 13:21:10
RhythmDevil
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 I've had my share of systems over the years, and delight in my current "primary" system. But I still remember the first systems I heard back in my "poor starving college student" days, sitting on a friends couch, listening to large Advents driven by a Marantz receiver. I recently discovered my local used record store has a back room with vintage stuff -- the owner likes restoring them.

I recently came across a nice Kenwood tuner there, but today there was a moment of synchronicity -- a Marantz 2230 receiver and a pair of refoamed/recapped OLAs. What can I say, the price was right, and they followed me home. I added a vintage Kenwood turntable to the equation, and I'm in heaven.

Bass is deep, and maybe a little "tubey" -- the 2230 is capacitor-coupled. Some of that is the Advents, of course -- they were never bass-shy. The phono section is solid, as is the tuner.

Time to spin some 70's vinyl....

Cerebrate!

 

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I still like the large Advent. I measured it +/- 3db from 40Hz to 16KHz,, posted on April 19, 2024 at 12:33:10
alaskahiatt
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 so one starts with a wide, flat, response that can be altered with tone controls easily if desired. It does have great bass and good resolution as well.

However for me, the Marantz 1060(2230 minus the tuner I'm told) was too soft or mellow compared to my Yamaha CR-2020. Of course, I cannot hear anything well over 10KHz.

Looking at your system, can you tell if the B&W 805 sounds the same as the B&W HTM centers? Sorry to wander off topic, but I previously purchased two reasonably priced HTMs hoping they would be the same as the 805 mini monitors.

 

RE: I still like the large Advent. I measured it +/- 3db from 40Hz to 16KHz,, posted on April 20, 2024 at 03:20:05
RhythmDevil
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 The presence of tone controls (pun intended :) ) and an actual loudness switch are retro, but come in handy for the intended use in a small office space -- low volume play is common.

Yes, the sound is a little warm, maybe a little tubby, due to the capacitive coupling. But the tuner pulls in the local college and classical stations beautifully, and the headphone output is an unanticipated remarkable bonus.

RE: 805D2 and HTM2
No, they don't match. However, I use Audyssey to EQ the speakers when running multichannel, so to a purist's point of view I have polluted the sound of both speakers. :). Works for me.
For stereo sources, I run a more direct, unmodified signal to the 805s. (Ok, I cheat -- it also goes to the REL subwoofer, the 805s need that help way down low).



Cerebrate!

 

Okay, thank you. With the HTMs, I was trying to get 805s on the cheap., posted on April 21, 2024 at 09:45:00
alaskahiatt
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 The HTMs are still in storage and never hooked up. Some day??

 

For a long time, I ran stacked Advents:, posted on April 24, 2024 at 10:24:37
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 Advent 2 on the bottom and The Advent on the top. They are a good match and I could have lived with them forever. (I still have them; future second system maybe?). However in a long ago post MusicMike mentioned some speakers called Velocity V-10 and some of their features he heard in a shop. I found a local dealer (to me when I lived in S FL) and gave them a listen. I liked them so much that I had the store order in a set of them in walnut (the available store set was black) and they performed better than I expected. The Advent stacks got put aside; for over ten years now.

Later Gator,
Dave
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stacked Advents:, posted on April 25, 2024 at 10:34:55
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 Dave, I think several Inmates had stacked Advents at some time, I'm one.

After moving cross country in 1970 I bought a new stereo system, which included Advents. Less than a year later the Advents and Marantz receiver were stolen. I took advantage of the situation to buy used Bose 901s that I'd read so much about. Those were a major fail and I resold them within about three months.

Then I went back to another pair of Large Advents. A friend was impressed enough by mine that he got a pair too. So after reading HP's review of Double Advents I borrowed one from my friend for an afternoon to try that on one channel for direct comparison. I liked that so much I got a second pair myself.

I enjoyed the Double Advents for several years. I experimented with them side by side but preferred them stacked.

"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho

 

RE: A jump into the vintage (nostalgia) pool..., posted on April 25, 2024 at 19:20:49
dbphd
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 OP got me thinking. I've thought of my Ayre C5 disc player, Ayre AX-7e integrated, and KEF Reference 1s as a vintage setup, but my Marantz 18 receiver and AR3a speakers -- I foolish gave away the AR turntable -- from my post-doc days are even more vintage. Maybe I should go there, and devote the Reference 1s to the Parasound JC 1s and 2.

 

I had a stacked pair of Visonik Davids in College, posted on April 27, 2024 at 05:17:55
Story
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 and a Fisher 400 receiver and a Luxman turntable in a small room. It made beautiful music back then



 

RE: A jump into the vintage (nostalgia) pool..., posted on April 27, 2024 at 19:52:31
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 Stacking speakers produces comb filtering at upper frequencies. It can sound impressive in a way but it muddles sound in a subtle way. I once compared double Advents to an IMF Studio 2 speaker decades ago. The IMF was cleaner, more open more detailed and more focused. Then just for kicks we went to single Advents(we started with double Advents) and the single pair was cleaner, more open, more detailed and more focused than the double Advents. There was a shift in balance with double Advents to the lower frequencies and a seemingly wider sound stage due to the phase affects of the comb filtering.

 

That's exactly right (nt), posted on April 28, 2024 at 15:19:24
Triode_Kingdom
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 nada aqui

 

Tradeoffs, posted on April 29, 2024 at 14:07:49
E-Stat
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 Agree overall about focus but doubles provide a more realistic image height and offered higher output.

Have used both in garage system and use singles today. Too many woofers to periodically refoam!

 

RE: Tradeoffs, posted on April 29, 2024 at 16:04:55
Triode_Kingdom
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 The higher output achieved by this means (when everything is perfect and no phase cancellation exists) is only 3dB. That's insignificant compared to A) the damage done to frequency response and B) the low frequency extension that would be otherwise available through use of a larger single cabinet with a larger woofer.

 

When I ran doubles, posted on April 29, 2024 at 16:07:39
E-Stat
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 another difference was the halved load impedance doubled the output power from the Threshold Stasis amp used at the time. More like 6 db.

Choose you own priorities!

 

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