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you are the stereotype that people point to when mocking the industry.
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...... of the pot calling out the kettle?
I use Tel Wire power cords and interconnects and find them to be remarkably sublime. Otherwise, what's the story with the rusty springs? I must be out of the loop on this one...
Cheers, Duster
them on his web site for $13 apiece.
Stu
Looks like the springs used within my old Thorens TD-160. Does anybody take Machina Dynamica products seriously, anyway? It's seems to be pure silliness that's ridiculous in a funny way to me ;-)
seems to in agreement with Geoff and his products.
go figure...
Stu
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Just about any cable - unless severely under designed - will be remarkably sublime. Really.
The rusty bed springs? Irony, Duster.
Chris, I think you're guilty of being the stereotype in this case. Another internet cable company (how many are there now - 100's?) that purports to have the answers to sonic bliss.
" Directionality of the finished cable is determined by careful evaluation of the raw wire, done solely by ear". Really? I think you've encroached beyond the science meets voodoo barrier by a large margin. So in my mind, you are the stereotype that people point to when mocking the industry.
Heck, Geoff is just plain fun. He's got a little twinkle in his eye. You, on the other hand, are serious. I think.
' " Directionality of the finished cable is determined by careful evaluation of the raw wire, done solely by ear". Really? I think you've encroached beyond the science meets voodoo barrier by a large margin." '
Forgive me for butting in but your particular comment caught my eye. I hope I'm not taking it out of context but clearly you are ridiculing his quoted statement. You don't specify just which aspects of it that you find ridiculous or why so I can't directly address them, however I can tell you that based upon my own experiences that it appears credible.
Sparing you the details, long ago I built some interconnect cables using spaced magnet wires with two each hots and gnds. Since some "real" cables in those days had "directional arrows" on them I figured I should make sure that mine didn't care. Turned out they did. Not a lot but I could hear small changes in soprano sibilences as a function of direction. So I did some careful testing and the pull direction of the wire appeared to be the magic factor. Naturally I couldn't know the actual direction but the whole roll was the same since it was continuous so one test sample was sufficient. Sound familiar?
By the way since I was using two parallel sets of wires on each cable I tried reversing the pull direction of one set and the directionality was gone. And it sounded "worse" than the uniform cable when the latter was in it's "good" direction, but better than when it was in it's "bad" direction. I really didn't chase it down any further since I had what I needed to know about that aspect of the design to do stuff for my own use.
I suspect that this issue is only significant in cables with insulated conductors, i.e. not stranded wire, but I didn't verify that.
So... With that experience behind me what they say seems plausible. Also since then I've started reading AA and found other posters with virtually the same experience. Hard to believe? Maybe, but fairly easy to try if you're interested.
By the way I have every reason to believe that this is quite quantifiable and controllable with electrical measurement but I didn't bother since I was just doing it for fun. Don't think for a uS that I believe that this is anything mystical or immeasurable.
Regards, Rick
I posted that all metals exhibit a grain structure generally running along its length. This is due to the extrusion process in the case of wire or simply the flow of the molten metal as it is poured onto a slab.
If you polish the surface of any metal, you will see the exposed grain structure. The crystalline structure of the metal follows this grain pattern. Bending the metal across the grain ( say 90 degrees) yields a nice bend. Bending a sharp radius along the grain will generally cause the metal to fracture unless a large radius is allowed for.
You can change the metal structure by such processes as annealing or tempering. Cold working the metal also creates noticeable change in the crystalline structure.
Since there is microscopic evidence of this change in the grain structure and the facts of crystallization in metals are very well documented, it stands to reason that the changes in crystallization can have an affect on electrical propagation. After all, it has an effect on the mechanical working of the metal
One of the fundamental basis for cabling theory is the minimization of such crystalline structures. The higher purity metals have larger crystalline structure, as the impurities tend to collect at the edges of the crystalline boundaries. In fact, it is surmised that the impurities themselves create the crystalline edges. The greater or more numerous the crystalline boundaries, therefore, the harder it is for an electrical signal to pass through them without being affected.
Such grain structures are basically everywhere. You notice it even in something like paper. A sheet will tear more easily in direction than the other.
Of course YMMV
Stu
"Remarkably Neutral ~ Musically Sublime"
OR
"My job is to get it into your room, your job is to find the best place for it."
All this may haunt me forever.
"Remarkably Neutral ~ Musically Sublime"Your company's Slogan. Is that the best you could come up with? LOL
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