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In Reply to: RE: Correct. They also tend to validate only what existing instrumentation can measure. posted by MMasztal on December 15, 2010 at 07:39:38
...beyond the purely subjective, yet go on to make objective claims and assertions based on the purely subjective?
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I can see no way that the direction of a fuse, on the AC line, would make any electrical let alone audible difference.
But that's not the point, not in the Tweaker's Asylum. This is not your sandbox.
I tried what you are trying not too long ago (make sense). There is zero mystery here - You make a change and truly believe the sound changed. It is what is supposed to happen, it's the way we experience the world around us. All I asked back then was for the guy making the claim to pop the fuse out, flip it in the air so he didn't know which way it was pointing, and see if he heard a difference. I was met with the wrath of the Tweakers, was accused of believing the world was flat. Incredible, really.
So my suggestion to you is to save your breath. Do like I do - I come, I click around, think whatever it is I think, and move on.
It's better that way.
...does it make it impossible for it to ever be objective?
I don't know, these arguments tend to go in circles and ignore the fact that subjectivity is held within a framework of objective as well as not-so-objective understanding of facts. I believe that a person IS capable of making a subjective assertion that near enough equates to objectivity because of all other things he knows. To say "well, that's just your point of view," is never a good enough argument for me and one I would never use myself...cos I might just miss an opportunity to learn something. It's when someone starts actively deceiving others, knowingly 'bearing false witness', that it starts to get complicated. As bad as that is, it doesn't help when people start accusing each other of such with no actual grounds to do so, which is what all this has been about.
A theory needs to be verifiable/falsifiable. "Fuses are directional" isn't any sort of theory to speak of. Now, "Because of x, fuses are directional" would be a better start. At least x can be verified or falsified.
But before going down that road, you first need to establish that your subjective perceptions are based on something other than pure psychology.
So first you establish that the direction of a fuse produces an actual audible difference. Once you've done that you can start to hypothesize as to what may be the cause. Then you can start putting the hypotheses to the test.
I don't know, these arguments tend to go in circles and ignore the fact that subjectivity is held within a framework of objective as well as not-so-objective understanding of facts.
What facts?
The typical reason these arguments end up going in circles is because the pseudo-subjectivists are usually in denial of the weaknesses of human subjective perception. They assume that just because they've subjectively perceived something that it MUST be due to some actual audible difference.
And to that end, they never get around to establishing actual audible differences. It's all taken on blind faith.
That doesn't get you anywhere.
I believe that a person IS capable of making a subjective assertion that near enough equates to objectivity because of all other things he knows.
What other things?
The one thing we DO know in all of this, without any doubt, is that human subjective perception is NOT the unerring reflection of objective reality that some seem to believe it is.
Yet that is often the one thing that's utterly dismissed by certain others in these discussions.
To say "well, that's just your point of view," is never a good enough argument for me and one I would never use myself...cos I might just miss an opportunity to learn something.
Well, all I can say is that if you truly want to learn something, then your first task should be setting about establishing actual audibility. And that can't be done by subjective perception alone.
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