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In Reply to: RE: Sure it does posted by PakProtector on September 28, 2017 at 01:30:22
My "situation" has allowed me (with help from some good people here at the forum) to build or bread board over 35 pieces of tube gear in the last 15 to 20 years. There is a multitude of information and schematics available through the internet and publictions like Sound Practices that have more than enough project schematics to last me the rest of my life. They also give information on if they are good designs.
I do fine except for those posters who seem to think that you have to have a Phd in EE to enjoy this hobby and strut around beating their chests and telling the rest of us what dummies we are. I know for a fact if all you want to do is build, all you need is a good schematic and the ability to read it, and enough common sense not to stick your paw into a hot unit. So your question is easily answered if anyone wants to build (not design) their own gear and takes a little bit of time to find some good schematics. Used to be they could count on folks here helping them through any rough spots. I hope that hasn't changed.
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I don't like doing this. I think it is important for you to understand why it would be helpful to learn some basics. I suspect you need direct responses - general explanations are not enough to convince you - so here goes:
"My "situation" has allowed me (with help from some good people here at the forum) to build or bread board over 35 pieces of tube gear in the last 15 to 20 years."
Despite building 35+ breadboards/ amps, you continue to make rookie errors and often ask vague or confusing questions containing misinformation. It is a time and energy vacuum for those who are trying to help. Every builder has these moments, but they are occasional. Understanding some basics would help you understand how the circuit works, which in turn supports better troubleshooting and communication.
"There is a multitude of information and schematics available through the internet and publictions like Sound Practices that have more than enough project schematics to last me the rest of my life. They also give information on if they are good designs."
And yet you don't seem to be learning from the information provided (see previous comments).
"I do fine except for those posters who seem to think that you have to have a Phd in EE to enjoy this hobby and strut around beating their chests and telling the rest of us what dummies we are."
You don't do fine Vinnie; you throw tantrums and externalise your problems. I'm not EE (by any stretch), don't expect you have to one, and don't think of you as a dummy. Yet you have personally insulted me when I have not agreed with you; I'm not alone in that. You may interpret someone as "...beating their chests and telling the rest of us what dummies we are", but is that really what's happening? You are responsible for your own actions.
"I know for a fact if all you want to do is build, all you need is a good schematic and the ability to read it, and enough common sense not to stick your paw into a hot unit. So your question is easily answered if anyone wants to build (not design) their own gear and takes a little bit of time to find some good schematics. "
Your builds and questions don't support that assertion. Anyhow, it is a strawman argument because you are actually re-engineering designs; you are not just building proven designs.
"Used to be they could count on folks here helping them through any rough spots. I hope that hasn't changed."
I don't think the helpfulness of the forum has changed much. I do think there has always been an expectation that a person asking questions has a basic level of understanding of what they are doing. I've read past posts where builders have been told to learn some basics before asking further questions. It is not unprecedented.
Well, that's about it from me on this topic. I've tried.
Take care.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
If you don't want to answer my questions, don't. As for the rest of it, I am tired of some people telling me what I should be doing or learning when I am one of the few people on this forum who is actually building anything from what I can see. If others are, they sure aren't sharing it with anyone. There might be 4 or 5 of us that are posting pictures and reporting on how it's going. It would seem there are a some people here who talk a build rather than do it. This is supposed to be, and I quote, "a paradise for tube and SET project builders."
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I agree Vinnie, some of us do not share everything! I continually build/modifiy almost everyday, IMMHO I think you enjoy pontificating on this forum.
for me right now in this time I am mostly interested in wire mods its amazing to me how different wire can make components sound, this IMMHO does not require much knowledge but a good ear :) just make sure you use correct voltage spec wire...experimentation the "discovery" that I live for
for everyone else Vinnie is not 20 years old! he is 70+ and people of his age unless in elite health do not like to learn/understand new things my father is 71 and he is the same way and in his younger years did all kinds of electronic stuff... now I run circles around the old man :) fortunately for me I love to learn, I am 46.. getting older but still run with the youngsters :)
I am an active, productive scientist at age 74, and I still love to read books, articles, and papers both within and outside my area of research, including articles and books having to do with tube electronics. Age (apart from the effects of dementia if it pertains) has nothing to do with it, except maybe it makes you pig-headed about likes and dislikes.
lew your taking it personally, my comments are not aimed at anyone one person.
I am speaking from experience, I live in a community of mostly retired 70+ people, what I am saying is absolutely true in the majority, it has nothing to do with dementia, I believe it has lots to do with people who are diabetic who have hi blood pressure etc. etc. its the drugs that do this IMMO, whats more is some of these people have lived for 70+ years and think they know everything! LOL
its even worse now that the snow birds are back, terrible drivers!
now I think I am the minority on this site being much younger :)
We have a mix up on not wanting to learn vs wanting to learn by doing. Learning from electronics texts is boring to me, while learning by doing is fun. That is really all there is to it. As for pontificating, I think there are a few others here more into that than me.
all good vinnie!, just keep on.. keeping on.....
at least your doing more then my dad, he just likes to use his "remotes" and watch tv anymore, I try to include him in a project but he just don't get it! or want to learn anymore.
You're right vinnie. You are a beacon of hope to this forum.
Seriously though, you are posting your builds... but what are they contributing?
I'm more focussed on quality than quantity; with limited discretionary time available, my builds progress slowly. Presently, arranging a custom chassis build has brought my project to a standstill.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
And that's just fine if that's what you want to do. We are all in this as a hobby and I hope to have fun and enjoy ourselves. As to what they are contributing, I like to think that it shows prospective new hobbiests that you do not have to have a EE to enjoy it and build some great gear.
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On these two:
"Used to be they could count on folks here helping them through any rough spots. I hope that hasn't changed."
I don't think the helpfulness of the forum has changed much. I do think there has always been an expectation that a person asking questions has a basic level of understanding of what they are doing. I've read past posts where builders have been told to learn some basics before asking further questions. It is not unprecedented.
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It is not just an assumption that a basic level exists, but that expanding it to a level beyond basic would be welcome, instead of belittling such understandings, and labeling them as unnecessary.
Anyway, as far as building w/o understanding...go for it. If you wish to remain ignorant, that of course is a right. It is my right to think such actions exceedingly foolish, short sighted, and counter productive.
I have no EE degree of any level, not even an Associates 2 yr paper...LOL
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
See post above.
Look...you ask about triode strapping pentodes for a SE app( after finding notes for PP )...and then carry on this, 'I refuse to learn' jag. I would suggest being less surprised when you encounter people who have low or negative respect for such actions.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
No, not "I refuse to learn", but rather I am not going to spend what little time I have reading material in text books when I can be building instead. I will learn what I can from building and trying different things.
You have spent more time on this particular subject/discussion/thread than it would have taken you to learn the few things you'd need to move forward on your own.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
Not true.
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I hope you eventually discover how mistaken you are, and move away from this mind set you seem so fond of.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
That's funny, I was hoping the same for you.
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