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In Reply to: RE: Copper vs. Silver posted by Triode_Kingdom on September 07, 2024 at 23:25:20
TK,
I thought as you did back in the 80's. Then I went to CES and heard the same amp in copper and silver. It was pretty awakening for me. The second experience I had was when I was craming for CES. It's XMAS and I have two sets of amps to burn in. My father in law is in town and I am basically running around with my head chopped off. He wants to hear Frank so I put it on and run to do something else. Later I swap that amp set for the silver version. I am on the same playlist and Frank comes on again and my Father in law says come in here. So I do... For years I have heard this song and wondered what the noise was in the background. With these amps I can hear it's someone talking.
It's something to do with the silver. It brings out more information somehow. Maybe resistance as the primary has a boat load of turns. Maybe something else. Funny thing is I don't really care for much of the silver cable I have heard. But silver wrapped around a magnetic core is amazing.
I made 7 silver products this summer and each one sounded really really good.
Thanks,
Gordon
J. Gordon Rankin
Hi, Gordon!
A company in California named "Audience" has
lately supplied me with wires that reproduce music
where it really does sound most like the real thing.
I like this, so sprang also for their power conditioners
to see if their simple, honest approach would be
getting more better results yet.
While I haven't used all of the units and methods
out there, but have played with most kinds of metals
and dielectrics for a lot of different reasons, there
is usually a marked difference between silver and copper
performance under a given operating condition,
physical size or architecture.
Audience believes that the simpler, the better. Their
stuff "isn't cheap". But neither is their performance!
I use all kinds of things- always listening and
considering the effects of nearby objects and
electromagnetic or electrostatic fields.
Lately I went back to my favorite item from the old times--
using brass standoffs on every source component, and learning
when to couple energy and when to de-couple it!
Does Copper or Silver offer an advantage over the
other? Only the user can answer that. Each has characteristics
that offer a difference-- now, what was that difference under
what conditions?
Under some conditions transformer winding
methods cannot be the same for each metal-- one cannot
compare the two metals that way-- instead, compare each
operating under the condition that IT finds ideal for itself....
When --everything-- is made ideal for either metal, that
is when you will no longer be able to tolerate Copper.
-Dennis-
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No sure what amp you are looking at, but if the transformers are small, I'd guess Gordon has used a permalloy parallel feed arrangement, common for his lower power builds.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
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Gordon, have you made any measurements in an effort to investigate this? I'm thinking about square wave response, IMD, etc. Also, were these "full silver" builds? I'm wondering if it might be possible to at least determine whether the (majority) benefit was from silver in the power supply or in the output stages.
TK,
I have a Prism dScope III and an AverTech here. The differences are the same you would see in 2 different amps or two different output tubes. Silver always seems to have a little more gain and less capacitance which can show a difference in a 10K square wave. Something I always test. But nothing like how it sounds. There is a large division in quality between the two which would not account for the small variation in testing.
But really, we always have to remember everything makes a difference.
For years I tested Computer Apps, why does Audirvana sound better than Roon. They are passing bit true to the same dac with the same file. That ended up being the fact that Audirvana uses 0.3% CPU usage and Roon was almost 30%. Plus Audirvana does not use the net at all during playback, were as Roon is phoning home looking at meta data and so forth. What we found was the mains had a slightly more HF noise when running with Roon.
It's always something, we just haven't found it in the copper vs silver debate.
Thanks,
Gordon
J. Gordon Rankin
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