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In Reply to: RE: Has Magnepan solved the "Maggie Grain" issue? posted by George S. Roland on February 15, 2025 at 17:45:21
I think these terms are very subjective. What may be considered "grain" by one person, might be perceived as increased detail by someone else. Transparency would require some reference, even some knowledge of how a recording was made.
For example ... I really like 2L recordings and they do string quartets and chamber orchestras with a very minimal mic technique and little to no processing. You can hear distinct detail of the bow on the string. It's a real sound, but someone who listened to recordings made a different way might call it "grain".
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7.1.4 Magneplanar: 3.7, CCR, LRS, MC1(4), DWM(2); Emotiva B1+; GR Research OB Dipole Subs (2x3); Emotiva XMC-2; Nord One NC500DM; Nord Three 1ET7040SA; VTV NC502MP; Crown XLi800;OPPO 205
I think of tenors in this context, and for example, Schubert Leider.
The human voice is not silky in classical music. Silkiness is a luxury of the microphone.A soprano sounds lovely and floating, but a tenor, you are gonna her those chords flappin'.
Sorting out the grain of instruments from the grain of the speaker sounds like one of those chases I'd rather not go on.
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That's why I don't listen to opera :-)
No, seriously, there are so many variables. A month ago my system was just sounding "fuzzy". It was very cold outside and heat was cranking all the time and humidity in my listening room went down to 11-13%. So I got a humidifier and got it up to 25-30%. Sounds wonderful now!
And like you say, maybe people really have never heard a voice or instrument up close. My benchmark recordings all are very well-recorded acoustic instruments in live acoustic spaces.
And I had a unique experience today ... yesterday I attended a concert with a small chamber orchestra. I was in the 6th row. They live-streamed it and the audio was recorded with just two microphones over the orchestra. So today I watched the stream on YouTube. It sounded very much like the live performance played back on my system ... with differences attributable to the mic position over the orchestra, and probably limited bitrate from YouTube. But it sounded really good!
Agilist, Musician, Photographer, Audiophile
7.1.4 Magneplanar: 3.7, CCR, LRS, MC1(4), DWM(2); Emotiva B1+; GR Research OB Dipole Subs (2x3); Emotiva XMC-2; Nord One NC500DM; Nord Three 1ET7040SA; VTV NC502MP; Crown XLi800;OPPO 205
We are on the same page. These days it is only a few times a year but for many, many years I attended the Cleveland Orchestra at Severance Hall, row K center. That hall is amply represented in the catalogues.
My system always is ... a replica. Scale of size is hard to get, naturally. (My system presents mroe of a front of 1st balcony feel) Dynamic scales are not 1:1 but the proportions are sometimes right there. I feel the jump. Brass hits fast and present, if not at the same exact level of intensity. I don't listen at performance volume levels. The replica isn't as fine, when it gets too loud.
In some tonal areas, the system is remarkably easy to suspend disbelief. Violin. Ever since I got the LRS's massed strings are a problem only if they are a problem on the recording! If you too love classical music, I bet you know massed strings have to be good. And they are not easy to get good.
No static at all.
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