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In Reply to: RE: Nwer Quads are Made in China.. For some folks this matters.. nt posted by kentaja on June 20, 2017 at 15:58:46
> The newer Quads play no louder than the 63 they are the same speaker. Nothing about the design has changed beyond the frame structure and cosmetics.
No they're not. The transformers amongst other important things have vastly improved the later designs.
> The ESL(57) will play 100dB+ with protection circuits in place and enough power. Plenty loud enough.
This is a design from so long ago that they can't be sensibly compared with 2912s. They have always been recognised as suitable (and excellent) with small scale music where big crescendos are not featured and bass is relatively absent. Many owners of these have added subs to provide the bass that's clearly absent from these lovely antiques.
All a matter of degree and perspective. There are some that will tell you the ESL(57) is the best Quad ever made.Sensibly compared to the 2912? Absolutely they can be they can be sensibly compared to just about any speaker one can name. They have their limits for sure but what they do well they do as well as they ever have and better than just about any other speaker ever built since including the 63 design. The reason why some still consider them the best speaker ever built.
In terms of bass the ESL(57) working properly has lots of bass down to about 40Hz. If they don't have bottom end then they are not working properly most likely tired and well past their prime.
Even with the additional bass panels and bass output of the 989/2905/2912 there are some that complain the speakers don't have enough bottom end and insist on subs.
Personally I prefer the 63 design but every time I go back to the original I think to myself no this is a much better speaker. This has been discussed since 1981. Which Quad is better the new Quad or the old Quad? I imagine will be having the same discussion 20 years from now.
Edits: 06/21/17
What is the sonic differences between 2912 and 2812??
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