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In Reply to: Steve, I've read your replies for years posted by QuadTodd on December 16, 2010 at 21:42:02:
and have to say, you slice small distinctions with a very sharp knife.
I don't think the distinction between subjective and objective is a small one.
A couple things I need clarity on; it seems like you are saying that one person's experience, like the OP's is subjective but where, in your opinion, does it turn objective?
Where?
Here:
...I will say that what I and my girlfriend heard was real.
He is offering no measurements or 'testing' in a range of components (with their varying sophistications of power supplies) to conclude that this will have an effect in everything.
But what he is doing when he says "what I and my girlfriend hear was real," is making a decidedly objective claim.
"Give me one example of where humans are capable of hearing something which completely escapes measurement." I never read journals of hearing/audio research, so I'll throw out a couple here that come to mind, maybe one will hit the ground:
Ok.
Changes in soundstage width/instrument separation
Soundstage depth
These are all illusions created in the mind, and as far as I'm aware, the attributes which bring them about do not escape measurement.
Keep in mind that all we hear is ultimately changes in air pressure over time. And we have the ability to measure changes in air pressure over time to vanishingly low levels.
Decreases in very low level stereo system electrical noise, resulting in 'blacker backgrounds', less 'grain' and added detail on recordings, when it is already far below typical home ambient noise levels - how do we hear that?
I don't know that we do.
Here's something you might have some fun with.
...and a listener challenge
You'll first have to download Audio DiffMaker which will allow you to easily A/B the tracks.
In each of the sets of two tracks, instead of system electrical noise, one of the tracks has a Sousa band mixed in at I believe -70dB.
Give it a try and see how well you do.
se
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- RE: Steve, I've read your replies for years - Steve Eddy 22:17:45 12/16/10 (0)
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