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RE: Nope. Nor do I make any claims to such effect...

Posted by Steve Eddy on December 16, 2010 at 08:27:59

In Reply to: RE: Nope. Nor do I make any claims to such effect... posted by Japesgalore on December 16, 2010 at 05:29:35:

So wait, which is it, are you saying that your cables are there to create a perceived change or do they actually have an effect on the actual sound, even in the slightest?

Neither.

I'm inclined to believe that cables do, and you probably do too.

I'm not inclined to have any particular belief on that subject one way or the other.

Do you need a scientific experiment to prove that or do you trust your own ears?

Given what we know about the fallibility of human subjective perception, one would have to be a fool to "trust their ears" if their goal was to determine with any high degree of certainty any sort of objective reality.

Assuming you do trust your ears, wouldn't it be fair to allow others to trust theirs?

I don't have any problem at all with people trusting their ears to simply tell them what sounds good to them and what they prefer for themselves, whatever the reasons may be.

The problem is that many people aren't content with that. Instead they attempt to go beyond that and try to pass off their subjective experience as something more.

You're a perfect example of this.

You're not content to live with your subjective experience, whatever the reasons for it may be. Instead, you feel the need to try and "prove" to others that your subjective experience is something more. That it is somehow proof of some objective reality.

And when you do that, you open yourself up to question or challenge, just as any other objective claim is.

But when you are legitimately questioned or challenged, you get all upset about it.

You can't have it both ways.

If you don't want to be legitimately questioned or challenged, then stay on the subjectivist side of the road and don't attempt to pass off your subjective experiences as anything more than that.

I've done tests with people who were ardent 'scientists' who had up to that point ridiculed my claim the cables made a difference.

What you go on to describe isn't a test so much as a dog and pony show.

Your "ardent 'scientist'" friends (as well as your girlfriend) are no less human than anyone else. And as such, are no less prone than anyone else to subjectively perceive differences even when there may be no actual physical differences to account for it.

So your "tests" don't bring anything meaningful to the table.

Many people would deem it ridiculous to think that equipment supports could possibly affect the sound, but again, the science is there to support the fact that resonance plays a major part in how different components, including current-carrying ones, interact with each other.

What science is that exactly?

Many non-audiophiles claim there hearing isn't good enough to discern any difference. Though they forget that, like the eye, and any other human sense, hearing is infinitely more adept at picking up on subtleties than any machine.

And this claim is based on what, exactly?

Give me one example of where humans are capable of hearing something which completely escapes measurement.

Cable directionality, on the other hand, has not found a scientific basis yet. But who the hell is anyone to say that there isn't one?

You're putting the cart before the horse here.

So far as I'm aware, no one has yet demonstrated cable directionality exists in the first place, let alone any scientific basis for it.

What my girlfriend and I heard was real and whatever tests I did on it has been thorough enough for me to be over 95% sure.

Your "tests" have absolutely no scientific rigor to them at all. Nor will they until you can adequately control for the known fallibility of human subjective perception.

So please don't try and pass them off as "tests."

se

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