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In Reply to: RE: Not "operatic" posted by Bill Way on April 6, 2019 at 05:37:13:
I don't think we actually disagree - I think you probably just have a higher set of standards than what is commonly accepted and i don't think there is anything wrong with that.
There probably should be some other term used to describe Tarja and Bocelli because perhaps they are not quite good enough to sing Opera unamplified but they are a very clear cut above pop singers like Katy Perry and Taylor Swift.
So it's probably unfair to lump them as POP singers. Perhaps a term like Operatic-Pop (or "Light-Opera" to mean a lighter weight voice as in needing amplification) is fair just as Sade is often referred to as a Jazz-pop singer.
An opera house is also designed to aid in the projection of vocals so the actual venue serves to amplify the human voice for Opera singers. If any Opera singer was in a stadium the size of the ones Nightwish is playing to - you won't be blown away by their voice in the back row of a football stadium without amplification. So it's sort of a necessary thing depending on the size and design of the venues.
My view there is a clear difference to the actual vocal sound (regardless of power to get to the back row) of Tarja's voice to the second singer in the video who can't make that vocal sound.
So I believe it's probably a good idea to have some other middle ground term for those singers who can clearly sing The Ava Maria versus the Swifts who clearly can't. And then there is probably another level which would include Celine Dion, Lady Gaga, Glennis Grace, Whitney Houston and perhaps Ariana Grande who have a cut above the pop singer level vocals who might be able to do opera-pop but have chosen to make more money in pop.
So that's it - we need a term - "Opera-Pop" vocalist - not quite pop and not quite opera.
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- RE: Not "operatic" - RGA 19:12:36 04/06/19 (9)
- RE: Not "operatic" - Bill Way 07:36:05 04/07/19 (8)
- RE: Not "operatic" - RGA 19:50:22 04/07/19 (7)
- RE: Not "operatic" - Bill Way 21:19:02 04/07/19 (6)
- RE: Not "operatic" - RGA 22:54:47 04/07/19 (2)
- RE: Not "operatic" - Bill Way 06:50:52 04/08/19 (1)
- RE: Not "operatic" - RGA 19:18:49 04/08/19 (0)
- "Singers who perform it [the Lied repertoire] are opera singers" - Chris from Lafayette 22:02:58 04/07/19 (2)
- RE: "Singers who perform it [the Lied repertoire] are opera singers" - Bill Way 06:34:02 04/08/19 (1)
- He had a small voice which was not suited to the Wagnerian roles - Chris from Lafayette 18:43:10 04/08/19 (0)