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In Reply to: Yes, imagine the price if they had to design the DAC inside the fancy box posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne on June 17, 2024 at 10:00:25:
You should check your history. Accuphase made a discrete 16bit and then later 20bit DAC back in the 1980s. Discrete DAC architecture is nothing new...probably making a resurgence due to lack of chip availability. I own an Ayon Skylla II, which uses the BB PCM1704 (4 of them) and Ayon switched to ESS and later AKM due to lack of availability of 1704s (seems CH has enough but how many $50K dacs get sold per year?).
https://audio-database.com/Accuphase-kensonic/etc/dc-81l.html
After that they switched to chips...the preferred one being the BB PCM63K (the DC91 DAC used like 16 per channel in their MMB configuration). At one time the BB PCM63 was about $70 per chip when Sigma/Deltas were like $2.
https://www.stereophile.com/content/accuphase-dp-90-cd-transport-dc-91-da-processor
The simple fact is this: A laser trimmed R2R IC like the BB PCM-1704 is MUCH higher precision than any discrete ladder DAC can possibly be with macro sized resistors. Same holds true for BB PCM63, AD 1865, TD1541 etc.
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- RE: Yes, imagine the price if they had to design the DAC inside the fancy box - morricab 01:23:52 06/18/24 (13)
- RE: Yes, imagine the price if they had to design the DAC inside the fancy box - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 12:12:20 06/18/24 (1)
- RE: Yes, imagine the price if they had to design the DAC inside the fancy box - morricab 01:37:14 06/19/24 (0)
- Adcom R2R BB63 - scriabin 08:02:46 06/18/24 (10)
- RE: Adcom R2R BB63 - morricab 04:04:04 06/20/24 (0)
- I wouldn't bet on it. - PaulN 19:26:51 06/19/24 (8)
- "threshold of electron noise"? gimme a break ! - AbeCollins 19:24:08 06/21/24 (2)
- I was being intentionally hyperbolic... - PaulN 14:57:44 06/23/24 (1)
- Hard to tell as this is an audiophile forum ;-) - AbeCollins 15:25:43 06/23/24 (0)
- RE: I wouldn't bet on it. - morricab 04:04:47 06/20/24 (4)
- Anyone that didn't prefer - PaulN 15:53:31 06/20/24 (3)
- RE: Anyone that didn't prefer - morricab 05:36:23 06/21/24 (2)
- the measurements themselves don't mean much - mitch2 19:35:06 06/23/24 (1)
- RE: the measurements themselves don't mean much - morricab 02:48:39 06/28/24 (0)