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In Reply to: RE: Oh no another speaker wire question posted by airtime on August 27, 2016 at 11:13:49
M22759......
That is the military part number for mil-spec silver coated copper. It's good enough for the space shuttle and F-18 fighters.
I have used it for the past couple of years and am well pleased.
Inmate "drlowmu" also uses and recommends this wire.
It is also the wire that Steve Deckert of Decware Audio uses to make his reference Styx speaker cables.
It comes in a wide variety of gauges as well.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
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all the best,
mrh
that his budget isn't in the $1100 range. :)
Where did you come up with $1100 ?
The wire I referenced is around .55 to .75 per foot.....PTFE silver plated stranded copper mil-spec wire.
Steve at APEX JR will be happy to help.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
where it says:
"The cost is 45.00 per foot, which means 4 conductors. So a 10 foot pair of Zen Styx would cost $450.00 "
Naturally, 25 x 45 = $1125.
You might note that the first link :
http://www.decware.com/newsite/speakercables.htm
and the second are NOT the same. Did you mean to reference the "Decware Zen Styx Silver Reference" cable initially?
No, no, no.I stated that it (m22759) is the same wire that Steve Deckert of Decware Audio uses in his reference Styx speaker cables.
The link I provided was to show that. If you scroll down the Decware page I linked you will see where Steve listed the military (M22759) as well as the civilian part number.
drlowmu, as well as many other experienced DIYers swear by this wire.
Obviously if Charlie's budget was $1100 he would just go buy some off the shelf Cardas, DH Labs, or Audioquest speaker cable at the nearest audio dealer and not bother posting here.
4 (conductors) x 25 = 100 ft... Two 25ft runs = 200 ft....
200 ft x .55 per foot = $110That's if he need 4 conductors per run. I would go with a tightly twisted pair for $55, but that's me.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
Edits: 08/27/16
If Deckert is truly using the same cable, then he is enjoying quite a markup between a retail cost of $2.20/ft for four conductors and his selling price of $45.00/ft. :)
All cable manufacturers enjoy a big markup.Jackets, strain relief, heat shrink, terminations (spades, bananas), labor to assemble, shipping, and advetising.
And; Presumably he's in business to make a profit from the fruits of his labor. At least he's honest enough to tell us exactly what his reference cables are made from - I can't remember George Cardas, Bill Low, or the boys from Nordost ever doing that.
☆☆☆☆☆From Decware☆☆☆☆☆SIZE / STRAND DESCRIPTION
AWG
Stranding
Nom. Dia. of Conductor
in. / mmNom. O.D.
in. / mmMilitary Number
08
133/29
.220 / 5.58
.284 / 7.22
M22759
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
Edits: 08/27/16
All cable manufacturers enjoy a big markup.
Perhaps, but he's clearly not a manufacturer. He merely packages and terminates someone else's cable. For a considerable sum at that!
Don't know, but as I stated earlier; I can't remember George Cardas, Bill Low, or anyone from Nordost letting on what wire they use (part number).
Clearly they are not mixing ingots into a blast furnace and spooling wire either.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
anyone from Nordost letting on what wire they use (part number).
Would you kindly tell us where you can find any cable that looks even remotely like this?
Clearly they are not mixing ingots into a blast furnace and spooling wire either.
Clearly? According to exactly whom?
"Would you kindly tell us where you can find any cable that looks even remotely like this?"
Remote emough?
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
" A remote switch for the AR15.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
Go with the AR-10 Mikey - you'll be much happier.
It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.........
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
The Verastarr Grand Illusion Statement goes for $4900 for an eight foot pair
The MG audio cable goes for $4000 for an eight foot pair.
Goertz cables exhibit low inductance at the expense of very high capacitance. Pass!
You seem to think that Nordost and others just repackage some generic cable available elsewhere for cheap and mark it up profoundly. Show me a generic cable (military spec number or not) for $.55/ft that offers Nordost performance.
I see you cannot back your previous claim about manufacturing.
Nordost 2 Flat is about the only thing I could afford. Although I am skeptical about the grandiose claims about many expensive cable designs, the combination of low capacitance and inductance of the 2 flat sounds attractive to me. I will probably give the a try at some point.
Dave
E-Stat;
This all started when you stated, "Somehow I'm thinkin' that his (Airtime) budget isn't in the $1100 range."
I linked the Decware Audio site to relate that the wire used in their reference Styx speaker cables (Decware honestly shows this on the page) is part number m22759 silver coated copper wire. This wire can be obtained from several sources from .55 to .75 cents per foot which is in keeping with the original poster's (Airtime) budget.
Next, I demonstrated that this wire would in fact cost $110, NOT $1100 in keeping with Charlie's 25 foot run requirement. You then stated, "If Deckert is truly using the same cable, then he is enjoying quite a markup." To which I reaponded, "All cable manufacturers enjoy a big markup." I then went on to explain that there is more to cables than wire - Jackets, strain relief, heat shrink, terminations, shipping, advertising, and labor.....Let me add that they are made in the U.S.A. not some shithole where human rights violations are the norm. Im also sure this labor cost is for paying his employees a livable wage with benefits.
You say that Decware is "Clearly not a manufacturer." Maybe Steve and his crew don't manufacture cables in the pure sense, but I assure you that Decware is a manufacturer of top notch amps, preamps, and phono preamps among other things. I linked a video of them assembling one of their basic Zen amps. It's part one of 13 or 14.
I never said Nordost and others repackaged generic or cheap wire/cable, I'm sure they use very high quality wire. I merely implied that they in all likelyhood do not have their own blast furnace where they take the raw ingots at one end and turn them into cable at the other end.
Moving on. Next you ask; "Would you kindly tell us where you can find ANY cable (you pictured a Nordost) that looks even remotely like this?" When I did and showed pics of MG Audio Design, Goertz, and Verastarr, you then panned Goertz dismissively and stated that the Verastarr goes for $4900 for a eight foot pair. And Nordost Valhalla is cheap??? So, you said to, "Find us ANY cable that looks remotely like the Nordost." When I did you said, "You missed my point." Did I? You said find ANY one and I did find several.
Now you say, "Show me a generic cable (military spec number or not) for $.55/ft that offers Nordost performance." Hello McFly hello. I NEVER STATED THAT THE M22759 OFFERS Nordost performance! You seem to enjoy (not very effectively) putting words in my mouth. Anyone with a brain can go back and read these posts and come to that conclusion.
Clearly you are a Nordost fanboy - great! I happen to think they make a very good product as well. It may interest you to know that I do use Nordost interconnects in my system - One pair of Heimdall, and another Heimdall II. I think they are great, and offer a great value especially at the prices I was able to purchase them from Music Direct. I also have a pair of Decware interconnects and they are very good as well as the difference(s) are very subtle.
Also, missed in all this is the fact that Airtime (the original poster) thanked me and said he may look into the smaller gauges of the m22759 wire for ICs as well. I just hope that he isn't spurned for doing so, as they may not sound as good as the Tyre, Heimdall, or Frye.......Or maybe they will.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
This all started when you stated, "Somehow I'm thinkin' that his (Airtime) budget isn't in the $1100 range."
Exactly. That's what your linked led us to.
You said find ANY one and I did find several.
In the $4000 to $5000 range.
It may interest you to know that I do use Nordost interconnects in my system - One pair of Heimdall, and another Heimdall II.
Actually, I don't use any in my system, but they are a point of reference.
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