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In Reply to: RE: It was cold this morning, and yep, that water is contaminated. posted by ghost of olddude55 on September 05, 2024 at 08:25:22
from wikipedia
"Iron oxides and oxyhydroxides are widespread in nature"
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Plus the water is acidic.
Commonwealth of PA, I'm pretty sure, now requires mining companies to post a bond to be used towards cleanup. But old mines like Ocean No. 2, the companies that owned them are long gone, and the bond requirement didn't happen until the 1970s, when legislatures did things in the public interest.
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" and the bond requirement didn't happen until the 1970s, when legislatures did things in the public interest "
Next tax cut let's get us some legislators there who'll overturn the stupid thing.
The PA General Assembly whooped through a bill allowing longwall mining without much debate. That was 30 years ago.
Result? Massive surface subsidence. Destroyed watersheds. Homes ruined, including historic structures. Mining companies were supposed to make good, but you know how that goes. "Don't like the compensation we're offering? Sue us."
A major highway was undermined, fixed at taxpayer expense.
Meanwhile, a bill to legalize marijuana for recreational use has languished in the legislature for well over a decade even though it has bi-partisan support and the last three governors said they'd sign it.
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Saw a study on legislative action and it's pretty clear regardless of public opposition the majority of legislation addressing specific industry or business issues get through and quickly. Legislation addressing public issues, no matter how great the public support, usually go no where.
The tie in with trickle down economics is obvious. The return on lobbying dollars brings a better return than R&D and new product development. Imagine being able to achieve record profits year in and year out with lobbying, replacing workers with technology and reducing workforce (increasing productivity).
With all the tax cut cash they didn't turn America into the high tech mecca we were promised it would become. They maximized their take of the money and in fact invested in replacing workers not creating new jobs. Who would have though profit makers would do anything else?
In 1980 when this stuff (Reagan's tax reforms) happened owning a home was something almost anyone with a steady job and a decent income could do. In the 2020s the wealthy speculators who've benefited with millions and millions of additional dollars are now buying up affordable housing so as to rent it back to us or worse tear it down and put up apartments for us to live in. Home ownership has been the foundation upon which most working Americans could achieve financial security. It's slipping away.
In California, at least.
The sad reality is that with the exception of the period from 1933 until 1981, our government has always been a tool for money interests, lobbying notwithstanding. The one percenters wrote the US Constitution and the main goal was to protect their own property. It's why people like you and I weren't granted suffrage.
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Are your eyes discolored?
I don't really see anything in there about the hazards of Iron compound traces dissolved in drinking water. SOME Iron is a necessary nutrient, for making hemoglobin in the body -- hence dietary supplements such as Geritol.
Stand next to it, smell it, look at it. Anybody wants to drink a glass or two, farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies.
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I agree. The cited fact sheet doesn't pertain to contaminated ground water, plus it's talking about human toxicity, not an aqueous ecosystem. Iron oxides in water imply a previous reduction-oxidation reaction, which probably means the water is oxygen deficient. Additionally, the OP has stated that the water is acidic (dissolved CO2?).
There are bacterias in stagnant water that love iron and produce iron oxide; so that's another possible red flag.
I know nothing about that mine or it's water, but an MSDS about inhaled iron oxide addresses none of the above.
Let's hear from the MN Dept of Health:"Iron in water does not usually present a health risk. Your body needs iron to transport oxygen in the blood. Most iron comes from food, since the body cannot easily absorb iron from water."
And from the Illinois Dept of Health :
" Iron is not hazardous to health, but it is considered a secondary or aesthetic contaminant. "
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When the mineral content of various foods was first being evaluated, a misplaced decimal point in the published data made it look like spinach had 10x its actual iron content. This became the source of Popeye's legendary strength, which in turn got millions of kids to eat their spinach and actually like it.
And beating the living tar out of Popeye for once.
Maybe he wasn't really all that hot for Olive Oyl but had to stir some shit.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Unlike many, I enjoyed eating spinach as a child. Just add lemon.
Today, I find steamed fresh spinach a treat.
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