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In Reply to: RE: Archimago: Can you do more spectral analysis of Mofi SACDs? posted by jeromelang on August 16, 2022 at 18:37:16
I remember when the Norah Jones SACD first came out many audiophiles claimed that it was so much better than the CD. Those same audiophiles back peddled when they learned it was a DSD conversion from 16/44.1 PCM [CD]. All of a sudden these same audiophiles could magically hear no difference between the CD and SACD ;-)I always thought SACD and DSD were artificially smooth taking all edge off the music even if the artist intended for it to be there. Like a shard of glass smoothed over by ocean currents, it's still glass but no longer the same. Just my take.
Edits: 08/16/22 08/17/22Follow Ups:
Years ago when I purchased SACDs, some sounded very good, but others simply didn't wow me at all. I tend to believe that some of them were re-released in SACD format but were actually converted from 16/44.1 format.
After I ripped my CD collection into FLAC format, I concluded that the audio quality from playing a CD versus streaming it was indiscernible. It didn't seem worth keeping my SACD player for a few quality SACDs. Add a subscription to Qobuz and I'm good.
Every time I listened to a hybrid SACD, I preferred the sound of the CD layer over the SACD layer.............
Similar path here. I had an excellent Accuphase DP-65v that became my 'reference' CD player. The Cary 306/200 was also outstanding but the older Accuphase won by a slight margin for transparency.I also had a high-end Denon universal player that handled SACD. Out of curiosity I started collecting SACDs but never dove in 100%. I came to realize that SACD was 'different' but not necessarily better than quality CDs for my needs.
I ripped my CD collection quite a while ago and set up a music server + DAC. I additionally bought some 'hi-res' downloads. I started streaming Tidal and Qobuz a couple years ago making the CD collection and even the ripped CD files redundant.
Sold the Accuphase CDP, got rid of my CDs, gave away 95% of my LPs. I now stream most of my music. I have no desire to "own" my music as I can't take it with me to the grave.
Edits: 08/19/22
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It was more than 10 years ago, but my recollection was that Sony sent in a letter to the editor doubling down, stating that the purpose of the SACD was MCH playback, and they basically said (without saying it out loud) that they did not care about the listening experience of people who only wanted to listen to 2-channel stereo, and also that everybody knows that John Marks is a wife-beating Nazi drunkard.
Well, may be not the last part.
My recollection is that Acoustic Sounds later did a proper hi-res stereo SACD transfer.
If Sony did a proper hi-res stereo SACD, I missed it.
jm
I remember there was a big kerfuffle back then and eventually a real hi rez version came out. I admit that I don't remember the detail, if I ever knew them.
Jack
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. . . with one of the Vanska/Minnesota Orchestra recordings of the Beethoven symphonies on the BIS label. The master was 16/44.1 PCM which had to be converted to DSD for SACD release. All the golden ears were raving about the SACD (with its glorious DSD sound!) until they found out the truth about its origins. Suddenly, they didn't like it so much anymore! ;-)
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