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In Reply to: Will a yagi improve multipath performance? posted by meisterkleef on January 3, 2007 at 08:36:54:
IF you can fit one in your attic see if using a rotator is possible, it WILL improve the sound on the alreay good station, as well.MP is destructive of niceness in the sound and of imaging.
FM - FM stereo in particular - and directional antennas - 'go together like a horse and kerridge', and you do know the next line, dontcha?
Did no-one tell you this?
Never heard of the FCC's rulings about your rights to reception, either.
Did you do a search here? at all?
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger'Still not saluting.'
Read about and view system at:
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
How would this antenna work out?
have you read up a bit on rhombics?
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
Thanks all for the responses.Maybe I should have mentioned that I live at the southwestern base of the mountain I referred to. Of course I searched the archives. I was hoping to hear from someone that was in my same situation, made the switch, and could provide details.
One thing you seem to be missing is that I am perfectly happy with the performance I am getting from my omni. I'm lucky enough to be in a very rich FM area with many college/public stations within a few miles. Most come in with full quieting. More gain is not necessary.
I could mount a yagi in the attic but would not be able to rotate it. It would end up pointing either due east or due west depending on orientation. That's why I'm hesitant to waste my time with it.
And sure I guess I could bring in a lawyer to fight the association rules regarding external antennas but that's not an engagement that interests me at this point.
All you have to do is have a copy of the law. I know a guy who did the exact same thing.
meisterkleef wrote, "And sure I guess I could bring in a lawyer to fight the association rules regarding external antennas but that's not an engagement that interests me at this point."I understand and respect your position.
This issue always boils down to who is responsible for maintaining the roof of your dwelling. If you are responsible, then numerous FCC rulings and court cases say Federal Law from the 1996 Telecom Act trumps ANY HOA rules regarding the installation of antennas on your roof.
If the HOA is responsible for maintaining and re-roofing your dwelling, then it's their roof and they can legally tell you not to put an antenna on their roof. However, you ARE allowed to put a small DBS dish less than 3' in diameter AND a small antenna for either a burglar alarm service AND a small antenna for a broadband wireless Internet connection, on either the rail of your porch or on one of your outside windows. There have been no cases that I can find referenced that involve installation of an FM or TV antenna (other than a whip) on your porch railing or window.
I just wanted to make you aware of this because many HOA's where the HOA members own their roofs are aware of the Federal Law but still try and bully their members into not erecting anything on their roof.
I know you do not plan to fight your HOA, but if you own your roof, you have the right to install an FM antenna, a 3' or smaller dish, an antenna for a burglar alarm service, an antenna for a wireless broadband service, AND a big HAM antenna on your roof.
One friend of mine who faced a similar situation in a gated community with really restrictive rules got his HOA to back down by simply showing up at an HOA meeting with a copy of some of the FCC rulings and several court cases backing his decision.
But the clincher was that he also showed up with handouts of what his roof would look like if he installed all of the antenna referenced above on his roof (he PhotoShopped them into a picture of his roof) and he had a second handout of what his roof would look like with just an FM antenna on it. He then told the board they had two choices: We can fight this in court and you will lose (and you'll also have to pay all my legal expenses when you lose), and then I will exercise my right to put up ALL the antennas on the first handout, or we can behave like adults, you can follow the Federal law and I'll just put up the FM antenna (he called it a TV antenna) and we'll behave like gentlemen and avoid litigation that you will lose.
The HOA took the sensible route and let him put up his antenna, but they would not change their written policy.
And they watched him like a hawk ever after and if his grass was even 1/8 higher than allowed by the HOA he got a notice about it, so that is the downside of winning :-(
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Then the best advice I can offer is to see if you have access to your attic and see what you can put there.And if you are somewhat of a risk taker, you could always install an attic pull-down door and put an FM antenna on a rotor in this area.
This probably violates the HOA rules, but how often do they actually hire someone to crawl around the attic space above people's units?
JBTW most defendant bodies fold before court happens, by repute.And I am a perfectionist, and a systems analyst.
You are, in a way, luckier than I down here in Canberra, IF a few of those college stations are zero or low processing types, yes?
I have just two such, a national satellite dist'n, 'zero DR compression except PEAKs' 'classical' and a bit of Jazz network plus world mix at drive time PM. The ABC!
Plus a long-running local to Can'tberra 'low-processing' arts/community station (plus - on rare occasion the other community stations). two goodish AM stations (ABC and very libbrul! avec music) wide band audio AM is worth it even for interviews.
there is another option for you with THE sole 'serious' type of indoor antenna, made of plastic sheathed/'paintable'/ HIDABLE fine wire in the shape of a rhomboid.
[ pinned to a ceiling or taped under a biggish rug! its long dimension being pointed 'appropriately' to get you your 'OVER the mountain' station!]
You could discover the app'te angle - 'on the compass' - by borrowing an FM Yagi on appro. And, if 'the' angle - across just one of yr residence' rooms can approach 10 or more feet you can return the yagi - given a tick on SAF front - and save heaps.
what about FM repeaters, any?
and, NB, 'net radio' is usually LOW res!
I use low-res classical downloads and low-res cricket commentary, when I'm on the PC only though.
We just finished - very thoroughly - beating England in 5 out of multi-day cricket Tests, during Summer down here! And, don't say it's boring if you do not know the game ;-)! This has not happened since our summer, of 1920-21!
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger'Still not saluting.'
Read about and view system at:
http://www.theanalogdept.com/tim_bailey.htm
Yeah internet radio is pretty bad. Bit rates are way too low for music. And don't even get me started on sat rad. People just don't care about good sound any more, but that's a whole other kettle of fish...Very low compression and other processing for the college and public FMs in the area. My main public station WDIY 88.1 (yes I'm a member!) is wonderful. Very little signal processing and my reception is perfect. When they play music it has often fooled vistors into thinking they were listening to a CD.
I think I'm gonna pick up the cheap Radio Shack 6-element and experiment with that a bit.
Why THE world's lowest pop'n density for a capital city!the BURNT bush capital, too. Set inside a series of bowl valleys right into the Great Dividing Range & Snowy Mountains
WE are in a tiny little area between two large suburban exposed to the west whence firestorms have been thorugh in 2003 (and from the EAST) and will come again
So, my FM 'tenna is an OLDDDD Tandy/Antennacraft 'wideband VHF yagi' covering Ch's0 to 12 VHF! nice narrow pattern and b'all gain!
There's a VHF phased array for CH7to 9 TV and a band IV uhf long Ygai too. And a longish AM 'random' wire tuned with a fixed tap coil and a vane cap.
One big telecom/restaurant/tourist trap/viewing tower on a BIG hill.
NO rotator made could cope with the (scrounged scrap multi-tube) mast and array!
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
AKA Channelmaster FM-6 log/yagi. I don't think Radio Shack sells them anymore. The FM-6 can be ordered from a number of Internet sources, just google "FM-6 antenna". I have one in my attic it markedly reduces background fuzz noise vs. the vertical dipole omni antenna I also have in the attic. I was able to rotate it by slightly modifying the dimensions of the roof truss beams.
Dale.
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