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In Reply to: I was at the BMG Classical section.... posted by rockhead on November 24, 2002 at 19:07:07:
Most infamously, Keith Jarrett in jazz. Oscar Peterson does the same, though not quite so loudly. This has been discussed before here, and there are many who say this does not bother them, but I have to admit that I would prefer not to hear it.I wonder if some recording engineers find a way to mute this kind of thing, and I wonder if somebody like Keith Jarrett actually wants the grunts and groans to be on the recordings...
If you get The Absolute Sound, there is a letter to the editor from Keith Jarrett in this months issue. He is complaining about a reviewer who criticized, among other things, the moaning. Interesting exchange.
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Moaning or Alannis Morissette doing that corner of the bench thing.A video of Jarrett or Peterson moaning wouldn't bother me, but on stage, bouncing and rubbing the juncture of one's thighs against the corner of a piano bench seemed rather odd...I bet it feels good, however...and I really didn't mind watching...I like to watch.
Thank you, Chauncy Gardener.;-D
I guess I'll go check to see if I can walk on water...
the little girls still throw roses.
After all, Mikee...no sense takin' too many "chaunces." Besides, if I know you, you'll be carrying huge piles of vinyl with you, which might weigh you down a bit.;-D
Dirk
It makes Jarrett unlistenable for me. I always admired his playing, even as far back as the 70's I was wearing out vinyl copies of The Koln Concert and Facing You as I realized that as gorgeous as his solo playing could be, I couldn't ignore the yammering in the background. Totally distracting from the playing, IMO. I began to listen mostly to Jarrett in a group setting as on Treasure Island , to try to avoid the most blatant moaning, but it's mostly unavoidable. As teriffic a player as he is, these days I find I really can't listen to him. Too bad. I don't care what he says, or how any pianist justifies it, that moaning is NOT part of the music. It doesn't exhibit any special skill, and isn't even musical. A lot of pianists are guilty of it to some degree. It can be annoying when OP does it too, but he's not quite as up front with it as KJ. Jacky Terrasson is one of the younger players who's another really load moaner, but since I don't really care for his playing, it doesn't bother me too much.
Because of the yammering, moaning, sing-a-along etc.I hadn't really concentrated on it all that much because the music is great. As mentioned here, there are quite a bit of piano musicians who do this.
Speaking specifically about KJ, the Blue Note box is the best piano jazz trio recording I have. All know on this board that trio recordings is my focus and I have plenty and always want more. Evans, OP, Hawes, Garland, etc. No one touches this set!!! I hold Ray Brown trio recordings amongst the finest out there also but still feel the KJ set beats any of those.
Perhaps ECM does so well with their recordings that it is more evident than trio recordings available on other labels. Lots of recordings I own on the ECM label keep up with my SACD recordings, if not surpass some!
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