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In Reply to: Thanks! I have Barenboim Beethoven 3, 6, 7, & 8. I agree, they sound "OK". posted by Striving for Musical Clarity on May 01, 2003 at 11:56:55:
You are coming with conclusions suggesting SACD gets you closer to the music than DVD-A. I am leaning towards the same conclusion based on the very small sampling I've done to date.I tried one of the Tacets and Barenboims Beethoven 6th and both were "decent"; definitely better than most CDs I've heard. I don't think both were as musically involving as some of the "pure" DSD classical pieces I've played with. I've also played with a few Classic Records DADs and the Eagles "Hotel California".
You might try comparing Ray Brown's "Soular Energy" available on both SACD and DVD-A. Both are allegedly derived from the same analog tape and both same very similar (to my ears) when played back on Sony 777ES and Meridian 598. Than again, the differences in formats might have been "effectively canceled" with the differences in source hardware..
I'll refrain from making definitive conclusions until I've heard quite a bit more. I'll be interested to hear what you think about the recommendations made by others (e.g. Beethovens 4,5, & 9).
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Beethoven's 4,5, & 9 are good (Teldec) are good (and are part of a complete "set" (1-9) recorded specifically for multi-channel on DVD-A. Note that even on the CD pressing of this Teldec set, numerous reviewers have praised the overall performance of this Barenboim / Warner project as being probably the best "cycle" by any conductor/orchestra to date.By the way, I don’t think an equivalent whole set exists for SACD, so you can’t really do a comparison based on nos 4,5, & 9. In contrast I understand SACD folks presently have to rely on old remasters (e.g. 1960-70s Karajan? etc.) if they want to hear Beethoven’s symphonies.
Also note that the Barenboim set was actually recorded several years ago on first-generation multi-channel equipment. So while the sound quality is good, it isn’t quite up to the standard of Teldec’s more recent St Matthaus Passion release. Furthermore, the Teldec Beethoven set was recorded in a large studio, whereas I prefer a more natural setting.
In contrast, St Matthaus was recorded in a large historic building in Vienna, Austria, with beautiful natural acoustics. For this reason, I say that if you haven’t listened to it on the Meridian setup in 5.1, I suggest you do so, before making any judgement on sound quality, realism and "musicality".
By the way, have you not listened to any of the AIX chamber-music titles I listed, or the Naxos Four Seasons? And was the Tacet title you mentioned one of the recent 96kHz productions? If not, I suggest you listen to these too. MDG’s Missa Solemnis is also worth checking out. All these sound better in my opinion, than the aforementioned Barenboim cycle (that is, if one can actually make a representative comparison). Also, the definitive release of AIX’s Chopin "Four Ballades" is also sonically very impressive and the Steinway piano does sound very "real".
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45 minutes each way though and ran out of time (silly time consuming issues like take the kid to Six Flags, rake leaves, mow yard, bring in Meadowlark speakers for an audition, etc ...)Have to return that EAD DVDMaster real soon so I may miss out. I have no doubt I will be able to latch onto another decent DVD-A player whenever I'm in the mood. Getting kinda burned out trying to A/B different speakers, amplifiers, DVD players...etc. Heck, still haven't given MC SACD a decent workout.
needed to correct to " ..both sound very similar (to my ears)..."
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