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In Reply to: Ok, let me be clear, DVD-A is much better than SACD for home recording. posted by snaggs on April 26, 2003 at 18:59:02:
SnaggsYOU DO NOT NEED MLP unless you want to go MCH at 24/96, or need to have more than 2.5 hours in 24/96. Uncompressed PCM works fine. In fact, 24/88.2 works in MCH up to 4 channels if you feel like doing Quad transfers...
Best
Eric
PS: And forget your minidisc, ATRAC is worse than MP3. If you need to compress things, try Monkey's Audio (50% compression, lossless) and has a Winamp plug-in. Free.
Follow Ups:
Specifically did comparisons of SACD, CD, ATRAC-R, LP2, MP3 192, MP3 3something. The ATRAC-R was way better than MP3, and whilst not as airy as CD, was never offensive.This was done double blind, averaged over 20 trials.
Daniel.
For once :)ATRAC sucked initially, and got MUCH better as time wore on. The last group ATRAC-R recording devices were quite good. I used to use one for concert recording, and I could NOT TELL A DIFFERENCE between ATRAC-R and PCM (16/44.1) DAT on *consumer gear*. On my hifi, yes, but not on consumer gear.
BUT if you're archiving radio, SNaggs, why do you want 24/96+ PCM on DVDs? You can put 16/48 on ANY DVD-Video disc, with any number of consumer authoring packages. You can fit over 7 hours of 2-channel 16/48 on a DVD-V. No MLP needed unless you want 5.1 surround FM radio :) And 16/48 is plenty good resolution for FM archiving.
Bit as for Snaggs other comments, see my responses, and his, in the thread above :)
Imagine that :)
You could get more time with MLP... But if you're archiving FM radio broadcasts, why not use MP3?You can fit a whole ton of MP3s on a CD, and lost of DVD/CD players will read them nowadays...
And there is nothing to easily do timer recording of radio on MP3.... many of the shows we record are even from AM. You can still tell the difference between MP3 and ATRAC-R on AM Mono Radio.Daniel.
PS. I also like having my music on a disc type format, MP3's on a hard-disk is not the same. It destroys the concept of the "album", everything just becomes one hugs "greatest hits".
is this why you're so interested in Watermarking? All ATRAC recorders have a built-in protection that will prevent recording from a digital source, and sometimes even from the analog out.You should really investigate recording directly to CD (I read that some set-top recorders do a good job recording on the fly), or even to a hard disc using a good sound card. Then you can do all the editing you want in the digital domain.
If you use ATRAC recording and edit in PCM, you're going through many A/D conversions, filters, etc.
Best
I don't do the editing, but my friend edits all the disks recorded on the train each day! We just used MD as it was convenient, the MD mini-systems have radio timer functionality built in etc etc.As for Watermarking, just against it in principle and for commercial recordings I'm paying for. Though, it is the beginning of the end, they specifically designed/tested watermarking to be intact through radio transmissions, and that would certainly bother me. Though that aspect of watermarking is not directly related to DVD-A.
He does the editing, you do the listening.. : )Best
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