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In Reply to: To be honest with you, SnaggS... posted by ducati on April 25, 2003 at 06:20:52:
It's good to read some sane stuff once in a while.What software do you use for your DVD-V discs?
We have been discussing several DVD authoring packages, but none seems to be "user friendly" and allow 24/96 at this point. Any experience you could share would be useful.Just a small note on the use of external DAC: I think you can still take advantage of your DAC through your digital out, on a DVD-A in PCM, up to 24/96, and maybe higher. Digital out is not available for some commercial software, and if your material is encoded in MLP.
Whatever you do in redbook, you can also do in DVD-A, if that's what you want. Of course, the installed base of compatible players is not as large.
Best
Eric
PS; (personallly, I liked the old Triumph... Vrrrrrrmmmmm : )
Follow Ups:
I have verified with Denon that their DVD-A players *will* output up to 24/96 PCM via the coax out, if the DVD-A allows it (which all consumer-burned ones do). So that makes DVD-A a great choice for me, unless I can find a DVD-V authoring package that's affordable and does 24/96!Also, a cheap solution for 24 bit listening right now, and one I'm using when I can't get my friend to author a DVD (LOL he does have a job, unfortunately, other than doing my bidding LOL) is to run directly from my laptop (.wav files stored on hard drive, CDROM, or DVD+R data disc) > USB > EMI 2|6. The EMI 2|6 is a nice little piece of hardware, it has coax out that I then send to my DAC to do it's DACly duties on my 24/96 signal. It has surprisingly good fidelity for a cheap (~$250) piece of gear; it resolves a finer level of detail than my Sony NS400 DVD player will with a DVD-V of the same material. Of course, my Sony DVD isn't the greatest, and I'm looking to replace it (hence the DVD-A questions).
I think I am now understanding: *some* commercial DVD-A discs allow digital out, then? And if they do, I *could* send the PCM to my DAC. That would rock :)As for DVD-V software, I've been checking into it for awhile. I have a friend who films and produces movies, and he's helped me a great deal by authoring some discs for me (or having the discs authored for me?? Dunno). I don't own the software to do it myself as of yet; I am waiting to make a decision on DVD-A or not, as if I go DVD-A I want a DVD-A package for the redbook-type flexibility it gives me. Discwelder Steel and Chrome appear to be good choices here.
But for DVD-V, my friend is very knowledgeable (and his company owns) some Sonic packages. I know Sonic offers some DVD-V authoring programs that you can author DVD-V's with 24 bit audio tracks. What you do is drop a bitmap in the video track as a "slide show", and extend it out in the timeline to the length of your audio track. Then drop your audio track in and burn away. What results is a DVD-V that plays one bitmap and a 24 bit audio file. Obviously you could mess with menus and such, but I just like to drop it in and play without having to turn on the TV, etc., and since I do concert recording one big long track is fine with me (just like my LPs!!). If I recall correctly, he told me Sonic ReelDVD will do 24/48, DVDiT Pro *might* do 24/48, and there's a "big Sonic package" that does 24/96... He said it's expensive, tho, and really for high end movie authoring; and that if I wanted to go that route I should just buy Discwelder Steel as it's much cheaper (and of course I'd have to buy a DVD-A player).
I am also looking into a software called "Gear." I got a message from someone at Gear the other day, and he said their package burns DVD-A discs. Whether it authors them, as well, I don't know yet. I need to look into it. As I recall, Gear is only about $130!! Wouldn't that be sweet? :D
Edit: I'd like to add that the newest version of Nero Burning Rom has DVD-A burning greyed out; I wonder if this will be another cheap option soon? Of course, the authoring part probably will be another software package, but if it comes from Nero it should be affordable (and stable), too!!
I don't know if you have searched in the archives, but there's quite a lot of information about DVD-V / DAD and DVD-A authoring, including recent threads about Minnetonka discWelder Steel. Several people use DVD-A authoring software for archiving or publishing their music: Akimball / anevski, niconico, and also some professional users. Several good threads have been developed on soundcards, as well.As for authoring packages, the best option for authoring audio content is always using SlideShows. However, DVD-V authoring packages tend to resample to 48kHz (the basic sample rate for DVD-V). If you go through those packages, it's probably wiser to change the sample rates of your audio files through a dedicated audio software before authoring your DVD (Sound Forge, Cool Edit, etc or Samplitude? - Akimball uses that one).
If you want to keep up the highest resolution for your concerts you should definitely try DVD-Audio. My experience has been very poor with many DVD-V authoring packages, so I gave up and went for discWelder Steel, which I use a lot now and couldn't recommend more. Akimball has indicated a website where you can get Steel for $379...
The Chrome package allows both DVD-V and DVD-A content (hybrid disc) to be authored on the same disc, so maybe it's an option you will want to consider (tip: it's cheaper as an upgrade :)I don't think you want Gear for DVD-Audio: Gear is only a burning software (it's actually the OEM plug-in software of discWelder Steel, included in the price). You would still need to author the files for DVD-Audio.
As for Nero, I have enquired many times with them about this "shaded" option, but with no response from them. I keep checking out their upgrades once in a while, but now I'm doing just fine with DW Steel (although it has some limitations, to be sure - make sure you read all posts about it).
If you consider DVD-A autoring for the future, one of the things you need to check out before you buy a DVD-A player is the compatibility with consumer (home-made) DVD-A discs. There have been many posts about that also (by me). Denon is one of the brands I don't know for sure if they are compatible.
If you need a test disc, let me know.Have fun,
Thanks for saving me the step of evaluating GEAR. Looks like Discwelder is the way to go.. I have done alot of reading on it in the archives here, and I can live with the limitations I've dug up (most principally, no gapless burning).I would much appreciate a consumer-burned DVD-A disc to use for testing DVD-A players. I plan to bring home a Denon DVD-2900 in a few weeks for a home trial (it's been shipped now), and that would be most helpful. Denon claims compatibility with DVD-R's, is this not what I am looking for? That is to say, even if I have a consumer-burned DVD-V disc that works in the player, a consumer-burned DVD-A disc might not?
Shoot me and email and we'll hash out the DVD-A.
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