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In Reply to: Jumping ship to SACD posted by gimpboy on April 15, 2003 at 11:24:23:
I have a player for SACD. I don't have one for DVD-A. If enough titles come out with 192/24 stereo tracks, I'll get a player for DVD-A. It's not a religion. You can have both. The either/or mentality gets really old.
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Though the threshold is getting incrementally smaller. It used to be a limitation to 2-channel 24/192 titles. Now I have the flexibility to go 24/96 MC but even so the available software is pretty lean.And it would appear to me the disparity in absolute numbers of DVD-A and SACD titles is increasing in SACDs favor. It will be interesting to see if those hybrid DVD-A/CD "flipper" discs actually become a reality at BBs... Otherwise, it appears to me DVD-A will be abandoned by the major labels.
HPs list of excellent MC recordings in SACD is very short. On the other hand, there are at least two dozen DVD-As from Tacet, AIX and Teldec which are truly excellent. I'm in no rush to go multichannel with SACD because of the lack of excellent MC software. But I'm certain it will come, especially if Telarc, Channel Classics and Hyperion continue on their current paths.
Your definition of "truly excellent" MC recordings may not match my own. And BTW, I still prefer 2-channel to MC for most recordings I have listened to (DSOTM being a notable exception); perhaps due to unidentical amp/speaker combinations for the center/rears - which issue I am still trying to find a solution for.I bought into SACD because the player appeared to be an excellent CD transport (as opposed to DVD-V player I had been using) in addition to experimenting with hi-rez (ironically, looking at Fleetwood Macs "Rumours" and the other DVD-As at BB got me started looking for better digital sources). Than listening to SACD resulted in an SACD buying spree for 2-channel music, resulting in a collection probably exceeding 100 multichannel(MC)-capable titles as a side "benefit".
A close-out sale on an alleged "statement" MC SACD player (Philips SACD1000) got me a relatively cheap hi-rez MC source.
I'll admit to getting a bit rash on a pure analog MC preamp. But there were few products out there to support 2x6 analog bypass preamp capability (to support HT, MC SACD, and possibly DVD-A). Fortunately, I bought into a relatively expensive solution (for my budget) which also resulted in a quantum leap in 2-channel preamp performance in my system.
I now need only a DVD-A capable source player to give me DVD-A playback capability. I'm loath to try this "half-baked" with a cheap DVD-A player and the expense for the "better" DVD-A players (e.g. Meridian) is not justified by the available software (YMMV). Maybe when I splurge on near-SOTA DVD-V playback....
The Hi-rez music DVD-As do include a 24/96 DVD-V layer so I may try more of these in the interim.
He is doing a series of articles on surround sound.
Ahh! The Absolute sound. Funny how many classical-genre records are on that list. Same goes for DVD-A. An alternate explanation to this apart from just being an old audiophile fart, is this keyboard right next to me: the Korg M1. Along with the Yamaha DX7 (*), one of the most popular keyboards in the 80’s, the Korg M1 is actually a PCM based keyboard. I can’t remember the resolution but I doubt it’s 24/96.
are all nearly all digital synthesizers.the sound generation algorithm is based on FM synthesis, but the end result is a PCM bitstream that is sent to D/A converter.
the early gen synths only had 12-14 bits D/A - current generation synths of course have 24 bit D/A.
but modern synths also used sound generation algorithms based on PCM sampling.
Wow, you just surpassed my knowledge of these synths. I owned the DX7 a long time ago but it was a real bitch to create new sounds. It’s much easier with the predefined PCM-samples on the Korg. Do you know the Korg M1 sample rate? I only remember that a friend of mine was impressed by the more than CD resolution.
if it's "better than CD" then probably 48/16a lot of the early wavetable synths were terrible - sampling rates of 32/12 were common - and that's before they compressed the wavetable to fit into limited ROM space
the beauty of FM synthesis was that you didn't have to allocate huge ROM space to store wavetables for your sounds and you can create quite complex sounds using 4 or 8 operators
the downside was it's pretty nonintuitive to create a sound (as you found out) and after a while you start recognising an "FM" sound because every band had a DX7 ... and they were all using factory presets :-)
Lars,
My point to Oscar is that if you critically examine what is available in MC in SACD the much-vaunted software advantage over DVD-A pretty much disappears.
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