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In Reply to: There are many who feel that ALL CDPs sound the same, when running w/i spec......... posted by Chris Garrett on April 13, 2003 at 09:36:37:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dvda/messages/3940.htm*My point with Kuma was that she bought a crappy Sony SACD player and ran it within a very nice system and felt that SACD lacked lower level dynamics and didn't cut the mustard, in general, against DVDA.*
I wouldn't do that, Chris. My impression for SACD remains as i stated even with stock sony SCD-1 and Accuphase two box player ( DV-85 gets bit better actually )
Just like anything else, I am probably reacting more to their *house sound* than the format difference, that's possible. Cuz, whether NS500 or SCD-1, their basic characteristics on SACD playback sorta stayed in the same neighborhood. that's why i'm curious to hear Krell's SACD player. As far as their bass goes, what i meant by bass *dynamics* is that not how much it goes down, it's about how they deliver.
I've given up on SACD for time being because of the lack of software titles I am interested in.
BTW, DVD-A player/processor used were Meridian 568.2/598 and 800v3./861
Aren't they sort of the same ball park as sony scd-1 or Accuphase? no?
Follow Ups:
Actually, both Accuphase units convert the DSD bitstream to PCM, so you're really not hearing DSD in its native resolution, unless you've got SACDs that are derived from PCM masters (which many are) in which case, you come full circle.The Meridian 8xx Series is a $30k+ combo at the top of the DVDA chain and the 5xx series, is what? 1/2-2/3s the price, making it way above the Sony SCD-1, the Linderman, the Accuphase DP-85, the Marantz SA-1, et. al. The 8xx Series would be more more closely compared to the dCS Verdi/Elgar+/Purcell combo (IMO,) which DOES NOT convert the DSD bitstream to PCM.
Anyway, my comment stands on the crappy DVDV/SACD player. Whether you think it has a house sound or not. As I said relative to software choices, I can't argue with you there.
Take care and enjoy those Meridan combos!
SACD tends to a warm, fuzzy and soft sonic character that is common across players. so if you've looking for a dynamic, fast response with lots of slam i can understand why you might be disappointed and why DVD-A would sound better.DVD-A seems to have a crispness and an "edge" that i really enjoy, even though that sharp edge will cut ya if you are not careful.
in the end though it's horses for courses. i personally prefer the sacd sound although Rock really rocks on DVD-A, especially on my inexpensive rp82 which is all glam and edge and no detail.
and granted, my system is no where near SOTA and has its deficiencies, but I'm at about 135 SACDs, many being rock n roll and as many of the electronic ones as I can find, with their synthetic bass, plus the forty, or so, Jazz titles and the system is anything but slow and anything but soft in the lower octaves.However, I have been using a SS amp for the better part of 15 months and I could see where mismatched tube amps/speakers might slow things down. As far as the treble goes, it is smoother than PCM, but not necessarily better than the few DVDAs that I have. Since I don't have any duplicates and since I don't have a universal player to play both of them back on, it's tough to do a direct comparison.
Anyway, not to nit-pick...
and thought DVD-A had a better chance of getting there
lot easier than SACD playback.
that *edge* you are talking is necessary to keep a tune going.Most gear does it by bumping the frequency in the region and in some
entry level sources, they truncate the decay and ends up becoming tiresome in a long run.
A two channel DVD-A play back i have heard actually infused better treble decay and maintained a treble civility than a redbook playback on the same player. ( this *effect* is essentialy the same on SACD ). But the biggest surprise was that it had a sensibly controlled power downstream. ( this is where SACD gets overly civilisd for my taste, I think )There is something to be said about ease, flow and lack of strain in music. I can certainly appreciate those characteristics. It's a slipery balance not to go totally flacid, that's for sure.
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