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In Reply to: You make a lot of good points, but posted by Eric LeRouge on April 13, 2003 at 11:08:58:

I've never objected to somebody coming over from one board to the other, to debate the merits of either format. I think that when a person continualy puts forth the same message solely as a provacation, it's time to switch messages and I'll let them know. I can't help it if people feel that DSD is more appealing than any PCM played back on the redbook machines that they've listened to in the past.
"Fair's fair, you should let people express that they like DVD-A better just like it's fair to let it happen on the HRH"
As far as you equating 'going unchallenged to me being fair' I don't think that that argument holds water. This is a privately owned BBS open to anyone who cares to behave and as such, people have the right to voice their own opinion even if it's in opposition. Ad nauseam replies aren't welcome and only serve to inflame and bore, as anybody who's read Rich's posts, can attest.
As far as crappy SACD players go, personally, anybody that makes a comment on perceived sound quality regarding a component, after a store audition, no audition or even a brief in home audition, is nuts, IMO. Hell, when I go over to my two buddies' places and audition new components, were there listening intently for hours at a stretch and even that's not enough.
'Billy Bob heard it in a system that he's listened to twice and he thinks it sucks' doesn't cut it in my book.
When the SACDPs first hit the market, the three machines were $3500, $5000 and $7500 and while not perfect, they were praised as being pretty decent both in terms of redbook and SACD. Many of us knew that the cheaper models were coming and we wondered? Would a $200 SACD player approach a rather nicely implemented CDP? Would there even be much of a difference between DSD and CD on one of these cheap players with their crappy analogue output sections and power supplies? Unless one went with the better SACDPs out there, would it be worthwhile for people to even experiment with DSD?
What followed was a flood of inmates who were mostly into HT, but who thought that even a $1500 SACD player was worth the gamble so they bought them. Many of these people have (had) little experience with HiFi at its current level and hence, didn't have the requisite vocabulary to compare the lessor models to whatever. Their $175 Sony 775, Philips 1000 or Marantz 963 were the greatest sounding units on the planet. People who have taken the time to hunt out different machines, trying them in their own systems for stretches of time, kind of chuckled. We've tried not to belittle them, but to say that we're taking those comments with the token grain of salt would be an understatement of epic proportions. Life goes on, however.
The problem with DVDA hardware is that there's a paucity of higher end models and those that are up there, like the Meridians, Denons, the Luxman and I guess the TEAC (?) are all quite rare and expensive and people don't seem to be buying them. The only two that I know of, are John Kotches and John C, who have reviewed and owned Meridian stuff, respectively and a couple of people running the $1200 & $3400 Denons. I can probably name 200 people who have high end SACD players.
I have two machines covering both formats, but one machine is 1/10th the price of the other and even if you believe that this stuff is all over-priced by a factor of two or three, the Sony is just a better built machine using better parts (chuckle, chuckle) than the Denon, so how can I really give a solid opinion on the formats relative to one another, even having the same material on both?
I don't say one is better than the other, I say that for me, SACD is a better format because it's simplier, sounds very nice most of the time and can more often than not, be played back on CDPs in other parts of the house. When you have a nice turntable, you realize that the "perfect sound forever" sales pitch for CD is a joke. Some people hold that MLP is guilty by association and they don't want anything to do with it, but I guess that it's just their loss?
Take care, Chris

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