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Re: Not better sounding but more musical, ANYONE can hear the difference, even you! Just listen in

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In Reply to: Not better sounding but more musical, ANYONE can hear the difference, even you! Just listen in posted by Teresa on April 06, 2003 at 18:45:19:

Some people just plain prefer the distortion introduced via DSD. Not all people. For example, take this quote from http://www.iar-80.com/page39.html (J. Peter Moncrieff site).
"In sum, the DSD/SACD midranges provided a very comfortable, relaxing sonic portrait of a violin, easy on the ears, and fine for background cocktail or elevator music."

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When the cat is away, the mice will play... - SnaggS 18:32:48 04/07/03 (1)
Now now, don't start posting untrue things about DSD. I'm trying to follow the "if you can't say anything nice don't say it" addage, but putting bait down on the floor .....
must not flame DVD-A is... arggggg!!!
- Re: When the cat is away, the mice will play... - RdH 20:29:03 04/07/03 (0)
  Snaggs, one time response. You took the bait. I was going to include the distortion argument for all components in my original post. It is nice to see that you don�t consider DSD to have any problems.
funny that "distortion introduced via DSD" is the same "distortion" I hear with live music or vinyl - Teresa 18:20:17 04/07/03 (2)
by PCM deleting this they are destroying part of the music performance and the feeling of liveness. What you can "distortion" some of use call sonic realism, as in the feeling you are in the presence of the actual performers.
- Teresa, unless you do a serious test, you have no way of saying this - Eric LeRouge 04:32:52 04/08/03 (0)
  Unless you try to compare LPs ripped into high resolution LPCM and transferred to a DVD (DAD or DVD-A, doesn't matter as long as you're at 24/96*, but a DAD will play on most SACD players :), you have simply no way to assert that LPs sound better than PCM. Whatever you like in your favourite LPs and on your favourite vinyl gear, you will obtain on LPCM if the capture is done correctly.
  There are now several inmates doing this (eg Akimball / anevsky has posted about this), and I received several mails of vinyl inmates looking into this. I believe soon we may be able to obtain testimonials of real comparisons.
  In fact, given the appropriate equipment and know-how, many people will realize that DVD-A is the most natural evolution path for legacy vinyl.
  Be prepared for this unexpected turn of events...
  Again, Teresa, your main concern is with the transfer and mastering, not with PCM. Unless you do a serious test, you should refrain from making these statements.
  Best
  Eric
  * Of course, if you want to upsample your analogue at 24/192, you will need to test through a DVD-A...
- Re: funny that "distortion introduced via DSD" is the same "distortion" I hear with live music or vi - RdH 20:27:17 04/07/03 (0)
  Reproduction of music is exactly that - a reproduction. Distortion has always been part of the reality of this hobby. Vinyl, tube, SS, CD, DSD, PCM.... All of these introduce distortion of one kind or another. To take �Martin says� photo analogy further, even a photograph will have distortion depending on the quality and type of the lens (fisheye anyone?). It has even been demonstrated that, for a sample of people who prefer DSD, you can record PCM into DSD, record the analogue output from this SACD in PCM, and on playback those people will prefer the SACD/PCM over the original PCM source. You could even say that a painting of the photo is preferred over the photo.
  Your comment was that anyone can hear. Well, that apparently is true. But what you have failed to notice is that everyone does not share your opinion that DSD is superior. There are actually people who have made up their own mind as to the format they prefer, if they prefer one � shocking really that they didn�t consult with you or any of the other SACD bashers.
  I would like to remind you that this is the DVD-A forum that you are within. This is where you are claiming that SACD is more musical. I did post on the SACD forum once for which I apologize. It was a result of reading one too many DVD-A bashes. I will not post on the SACD forum again unless I have some thing to contribute that would be of benefit and interest to the SACD community. I do not consider statements such as �my format is better then your format� to fit that description. He**, I may even have to purchase an SACD player if the format war ends up won by SACD. Until that time, I will enjoy my system with CD, DAD and DVD-A.

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