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In Reply to: trying to copy DVD-Audio or SACD for personal use is not allowed? And posted by Teresa on December 8, 2005 at 18:47:37:
Teresa,
You are kidding right (except I see no emoticons)? Backing up or copying any data for personal use (non-sale, non-distribute) is allowed. If it is copy-protected, then of course you can't copy it, and hacking through the copy protection is illegal...duh! Reread my post please....
Follow Ups:
from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998:"No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."
Fair Use allows you to make a copy for yourself, not to share and not to sell of any media that is NOT copy protected.
So it is illegal to make even one single copy of a DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, SACD or CD that uses copy protection.
You can make one copy of NON-COPY PROTECTED CDs, DVD-Audios or DVD-Videos but not SACDs as they are all copy protected. While you can physically make an analog copy, the court has yet to decide if you may be legally able to make an Analog copy of a copy protected media.
Ted defeating Copy protection to make Digital copies of protected media could get you in big trouble. I personally would not risk it.
Teresa,
Since you keep refering to me:
"Ted defeating Copy protection to make Digital copies of protected media could get you in big trouble. I personally would not risk it."
I MUST ask you where the heck do you keep thinking I want to do anything illegal?? I've said twice now that if it is copy protected then copying it is both illegal and likely impossible (without hacking, which is ALSO illegal). ARGH!! Where do you get that I want to do anything illegal????????? Where? I asked whether DVD-Audio (some of which is NOT copy-protected) can be duped for personal non-illegal purposes...that's all. Never asked about SACD, never said I'd hack anything, nothing. I also asked whether a WMA Pro 9 surround file I have could be put on disc to listen to in a car surround that handles WMA.....I'd like you to stop referring to me and illegality in the same post please, or delete your posts please. You post frequently in this forum, you ought to know better than to throw around legal accusations. Thank you,
Ted
Ted I am so sorry I didn't understand correctly. And it's true you said you didn't want to do anything illegal and you knew hacking was illegal. I never meant to imply that you wanted to do anything illegal. I also am sorry that I cannot delete my posts once they are responded to, I hope you understand.I do believe in fair-use, the ability to make a copy of a recording you own for your own use. But the industry is getting very paranoid.
Anyway to change the subject to a happier one: Can you play Multi-channel audio in your car? I have a nice cassette deck and 4 speakers (2 front, 2 rear) in my car and have thought surround sound would be superb in the car based on the Telarc Circle Surround cassettes which synthesize surround from 2 channel and the sound effects coming out of the back speakers and sometimes even circling my whole car is really cool. I would someday like to have Surround Sound in the car.
What are your thoughts?
No problem...thanks for the apology...accepted. :> )As for true multichannel surround in the car: I have a nice BMW 540i (decent stereo) currently that goes out of lease in March. I have these three cars in my sights (and ears) and am posting a "review" of their audio surround over at the Quad forum once I get a listen to all three. As far as driving machines, all three are very very worthy:
a) Acura RL (Bose 10 speaker surround that plays DVD-Audio hi-rez, DTS 5.1, etc). I heard this one so far and it's great. Even plays Talking Heads Brick DVD-A layer of Dualdisc. I think the Bose system in the Infiniti below is basically the same foundation.
b) Lexus GS series (option: Mark Levenson 7.1 channel surround with 14 speakers and DTS 5.1, Dolby 5.1 and supposedly DVD-Audio 5.1, although not sure that the DVD-Audio "comaptibility" doesn't mean reading the video_ts layer). This ML option available in the Lexus IS series as well. Will test drive/listen on Monday, and test for true hirez, although in an auto environment it's somewhat nit picking, possibly.
c) Infiniti M series (option: Bose Studio Surround with 14 speakers "including personal surround speakers embedded in the shoulders of each front seat. SurroundStage™ digital processing creates a truly immersive multi-channel sound experience for every passenger. The system accepts a variety of formats, including DVD-Audio, DVD-Video and DTS in the vehicle's DVD player in addition to standard CDs and CD-R and CD-RW discs encoded with MP3 and WMA files. Bose Centerpoint™ signal processing circuitry can even simulate surround sound with stereo or 2-channel CDs"I'll report back. Frankly, the car environment is a perfect fit for mulitchannel music, and these higher end car companies have figured it out.
I didn't read Teresa's reply as accusing anyone of anything.
She just gave the answer you didn't seem to want to hear.Any commercial DVD-A cannot be legally copied - period.
It's illegal.
DVD-A counts as software, not music, and you buy a licese to use it. You do NOT have the right to back it up at all. Simple.
The only way this is allowable is if you have written permission from the copyright holders.A word of caution about in-car systems too.
I don't drive, so am not 100% certain if this is correct or not, but I have been told by a good friend that in-car systems cannot read anything other than group 1 of a DVD-A disc. Be careful.
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Neil,
You've GOT to be kidding.
First, Teresa and I put this thing to bed (and you are right, no, I don't like hearing I am misquoted or doing something illegal when I'm not). Second, give it a rest for God's sake, especially you.
I mean....how can you act so righteous here, scolding me, and at the same time you are ALL OVER the quad forum helping folks move DVD-A tracks to iTunes for God's sake. And when someone asked about moving DVD-A to DTS you responded:
"Re: DVD-A to DTS CD?
The DTS files included in a DVD-A disc, generally in the Video_TS folder, are all at 48KHz.
To take these into DTS-WAV, which is a 44.1KHz file that looks like a stereo WAV file to a writing application, means you need to demux the DTS stream, resample it to 44.1 and then finally re encode back into DTS-WAV.
The quality hit is going to be dreadful.
And worst of all, it cannot be done except with reverse engineered utilities that are unsupported and may not work too well anyway.
There are no official DTS decoders - except a CAD4 or a CAD5 hardware box.
DTS do not approve of this.There is a utility called Hypercube, but it is also dependant on certain filters being present.
Best of luck - you are going to need it.
The easiest way is to simply record the output from playback."
PLEASE...........
As far as MCH in the car, as I stated earlier, I plan on reviewing the capablities of each car's system, and if they don't allow audio layer switching that would be problematic, not just for DVD-A (some discs, due to whacko authoring, don't use group 1 for mch) but for multi-format discs with DTS and DD 5.1 soundtracks, etc.
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