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In Reply to: Talking Heads DualDisc Brick . ... A tremendous triumph for DualDisc , and for DVD-Audio ... posted by ZS KEKL on October 7, 2005 at 20:01:40:
All 8 discs have 96/24 5.1ch and 96/24 2ch as reported by ZS Kekl. The audio selection (5.1ch/2ch) can be changed by using the AUDIO key of the DVD player.However, this is the bad part for the 2ch audio purists...
None of the disc MLP 2ch tracks match the audio quality of the 5.1 MLP tracks. The 2ch tracks sound compressed and veiled vs the multichannel tracks. Sometimes it isn't as subtle as veiled but covered with a dual layer of velvet cloth. The instrument separation on the multichannel tracks is incredible. It's a holographic image that must be heard. The multichannel mixing was simply a terrific job.
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If you are a Pioneer owner the real bad news is that the 588 won't play the dvd-audio side at all and jams the machine. This may be repaired with a firmware upgrade but in Canada you have to pay to send your machine off to eastern canada. They also warn you that you will not be covered if the problem is anything else etc.Glad I have invest in a Premier cd system for my car etc. Never again.
Sorry for the rant but I wait a long time to hear this and the set is $240.00 at A & B Sound. (I have 8 cd's for this and I already owned a couple of them)
I'm tracking a few sets on Ebay right now, but your post has put a damper on my plans.
I much prefer the 5.1 mix, but the sound quality/clarity seems fine. Perhaps the relative instrument levels are slighty different in the Stereo mix, but it still sounds damn good...
nt
1. Chris, This is what Talking Heads website says:-"The eight individual DualDiscs in the upcoming Talking Heads 'Brick' boxset will be available separately in January 2006, at least in the US (first four at the beginning of the month, second four at the end of the month)."
-- so you can test one of the titles, if you wish.
2. Garnot's statement about the 2-ch tracks is not much of a basis to make any conclusion about the 2-ch quality of these discs.
p.s. It is very common for people who are so enamoured by a glorious 5.1 multichannel mix, that when they come to A-B compare with the dedicated vanilla stereo, the stereo version just sounds flat by comparison. That's not the fault in the stereo mixing, but rather the fact that it's stereo, and not the enveloping multichannel soundstage which they've just been immersed in barely a minute earlier.
3. And here is some good news . . .
Martin,I switched both tracks with the AUDIO key to compare them. On all 8 discs. One by one. And on most of them, the difference wasn't a subtle one. The 2ch audio tracks weren't bad, just not up to what you listen in the 5.1ch tracks. And I'm not talking about sounds coming from different places at the same time. It's more about dynamic range and clarity of the sound.
It's not bias. It's real. And the only way to experience it's listening by yourself. So I recommend you to buy the set, whether you're 2ch or 5.1ch fan and hear the difference. Either way, you won't be dissapointed if you compare them to the CD version.
And by the way, I haven't stated that I dislike 2ch. What I've found is a lot (not all) Pop/Rock hi res releases 5.1ch tracks sound superior to their 2ch counterpart because of the master tapes used for the transfer. If you use an existing compressded 2ch CD master to transfer to DSD, don't expect a miracle. Do I have to mention the case of the SACD "Come Away with Me" by Norah Jones? I always compare both tracks to check if I'm misssing something. But some people here love to take words out of context to start a controversy.
I will get them as a box set to complement my Bob Dylan SACD box set.
that the 2 channel MLP mixes are very nice indeed. I can't find any "two veils" installed by the engineer. Every disc from '77 to Naked is very good.
nt
> > p.s. It is very common for people who are so enamoured by a glorious 5.1 multichannel mix, that when they come to A-B compare with the dedicated vanilla stereo, the stereo version just sounds flat by comparison. < <Chris - believe it not, Martin is right this time. Garnot is merely stating his bias toward multi-channel. He has opined numerous times that the 2ch on discs with MC content is always of poor quality.
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