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In Reply to: Enjoy Martin! One question do you actually own 2 complete Beethoven cycles? posted by Teresa on November 03, 2004 at 22:22:25:
>> I hate the singing and music in Handel's Messiah, the only Handel I like is the Royal Fireworks Music and to a lesser degree the Water Music <<Hold on Teresa. One minute you gloat about those supposed complete SACD 'cycles' of the Messiah & Beethoven on SACD, and now you respond like a kid throwing toys out of the pram.
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I do not have to like them to know they exist. It's that simple.You were so wrong when you said DVD-Audio had 2 complete Beethoven cycles and SACD have NONE, when SACD actually has 3 complete Beethoven cycles.
You also said there was ZERO Handel Messiah's on SACD. Which was also off but a factor of 2!
I don't have to love something to spot an error or untruth. So it would be a good idea to check facts before claiming something does not exist.
And I like what I like and that is the whole of it.
The ones you mentioned were not recorded for SACD. So while they may be (or may not be) good performances, they don't count in my book. Any idiot can do a transfer of an old stereo recording to any format they want.In the same vein, I deliberately did not mention the other non-hirez recorded Beethoven cycles on DVD-Audio, as well as other Messiahs (e.g. the acclaimed Mormon Tabernacle one plus others on DVD-A.) — which by your logic would increase DVD-A’s lead even further. It’s plain to see that I’m talking about new recordings for the new formats.
For classical DVD-Audio, this means a 96/24 (or 88.2kHz/24bit)recording in discrete surround-sound. For SACD I would count a 88-96kHz/24bit or DSD recording in discrete surround-sound.
What I look for is performers I like and music I like and generally prefer classical music recorded during the golden age (mid 1950's - mid 1960's) and some of the better Analog recordings of the 1970's.Of the NEW recordings I prefer Telarc, BIS and others especially from DSD masters.
For DVD-Audio I am mostly looking for 192kHz 24 Bit 2 channel Stereo DVD-A's. For the master tape I prefer 2 Track 30ips or 15ips Analog played on a vintage tubed Reel to Reel directly to as high as resolution as possible 192kHz or DSD. My second choice of master tape is pure DSD, third choice is 192kHz 24 Bit original, forth choice is 96kHz 24 Bit original.
And of course I don't even look to see if it is MULTICHANNEL I look to see if it has a 2 CHANNEL STEREO MIX . And I do not discount any recording just because it is old. Sonically some of the very best sounding recordings are old tubed analog recordings.
But I serouisly thought you were gloting that DVD-Audio had complete Beethoven symphonies and Messiah's and SACD did not.
"Any idiot can do a transfer of an old stereo recording to any format they want."
Any idiot yes but it takes a superb transfer engineer to capture all the sound of a golden age recording and make it sound superb! Only a handful of people can do this.
Old Stereo recordings are my biggest interest in both DVD-Audio and SACD.
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