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In Reply to: Re: according to this article: DVD-Audio's would sell on average 3 times as many per title than SACD as posted by Martin419 on November 01, 2004 at 05:00:34:
"Two COMPLETE Beethoven cycles recorded in hirez 24/96 5.1 just for DVD-Audio . . .1. DG/UMG: Abbado; Berliner Philharmoniker;
2. Warner: Barenboim; Berliner Staatskapelle,. . . versus zero in DSD/SACD.
The entire Handel's Messiah recorded in 96/24 just for DVD Audio by Arts Music . . .
. . . versus zero in DSD/SACD.
"b.t.w. I do like Harnoncourt as a conductor, and I like his musicians. But I don't care for any recordings ruined by backward DSD technology."
"Backwards?" There is nothing more backwards than PCM. What an ironic thing to say. It doesn't even look or sound like music until it's decoded--very complicated and in-elegant--goes against nature to operate this way. It's replacement, DSD, *looks* like music before its decoding--a much short path--and the more realistic sound-quality shows. Don't take my word for it--heavy-hitter engineers choose it over high-fiz, (sorry, rez), PCM even though it cost more. Now *that* goes against nature!
The entire (2hr 40 min) St Matthaus Passion recorded in 96/24 just for DVD Audio by Warner/Harnoncourt . . .
. . . versus zero in DSD/SACD.
Don't you just hate that?"
Umm, do you know how tired the seasoned Classical collector is of Beethoven and Handel? The Rattle and Barenboim Beethoven was panned overall, there are better individual performances elsewhere. The '63 Karajan, as a performance, is considered on of the best--on DSD BTW. I'd rather have McCreesh in Handel in any case. You carefully avoid mentioning the performers on the Handel, I notice.
Follow Ups:
jdaniel@jps.net on PCM you say:-> > It doesn't even look or sound like music until it's decoded--very complicated and in-elegant--goes against nature to operate this way. It's replacement, DSD, *looks* like music before its decoding--a much short path--and the more realistic sound-quality shows. < <
Ha ha! What a load of nonsense you write. That's exactly what the DSD propaganda machine wants you to say. And you lap it all up like the faithful minion that you are. LOL
> > You carefully avoid mentioning the performers on the Handel, I notice. < <Not at all . . . read my review:-
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=10400465
Do you really think companies--Classical companies of all people--would spend *more* money for DSD than PCM if DSD *weren't* better?
Hyperion has just made its first pure DSD recordings, BTW. OH! I forgot, congrats on PCM hi-rez finally getting some front-page, global news coverage via Reuters--it's what we all dreamed would happen some day.... : )
> > Do you really think companies--Classical companies of all people--would spend *more* money for DSD than PCM if DSD *weren't* better? < <Your blind faith as to the infallibility of DSD is simply astounding.
> > Hyperion has just made its first pure DSD recordings < <
Wow. With whose help, I wonder? Anyway, I wonder how many hundreds of SA-CD discs they will sell? Methinks it's the Emperor's last set of clothes. No more new ones -- as the Emperor gasps his final breaths . . . ;-)
Anyway, are Archiv soloists & English Concert artists with their original instruments and the multi-label producer, Mr Lodovici, (as present on the Handel recording) beneath you? Well, are they?
OK, you win. We'll never get the big names like Simon Rattle and the Berlin Philharmonic on SACD. They're stuck with DVDA-oriented EMI. Wait a minute! The Berlin Phil has its own label now? On SACD??? And the first release is Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring????"And the "Sony's paying for it all, blah blah blah" is getting *so* tired. ; )
I told you, I'd buy DVDA titles *if* the same amount of brand-name Classical artists were available on DVDA. But they're not. And--my oh my--what is Meridian going to do with all those new $8K DVDA players...what were they thinking....
> > And--my oh my--what is Meridian going to do with all those new $8K DVDA players...what were they thinking.... < <This is what Meridian is DOING:- Making a cool $8k on each and every one. (As well as making me drool)
Now answer my question: Are Archiv soloists & English Concert artists with their original period instruments and the multi-label producer, Mr Lodovici, (as present on the Handel recording) beneath you?
p.s. Throughout this entire discourse, you conspicuously ignored the Berliner Phil Beethoven cycle I mentioned (and I'm not talking about Simon Rattle). Go on, try and jolt your very selective memory.
OK, Martin, fine; but my original point is getting lost in the details here. A handful of excellent performances on DVDA does *not* inspire me to spend even $250 on a DVDA player, and this is fatal for DVDA. I don't think the DVDA people have your best interests in mind: Universal, strangely, is putting out Chailly's Mahler 2nd on DVDA, and Chailly's Mahler 8th is already out on DVDA. These are the most tepid performances in the series by all accounts--and you gotta work pretty hard to destroy *these* works! It almost seems as though they think no one who likes DVDA will care. Is that the way you want to be treated?
He descended to the level of dissing artists and orchestra's to fit his own agenda.His ranting shows that he has know knoledge of even the simplest basics of digital signal theory.
It's clearly the propaganda ate his brain.
All is left is a jibbering idiot.
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