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The goal of DualDisc is to include a CD layer. I did not make any proclamations

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In Reply to: Re: John is this better stated? posted by John Kotches on June 16, 2004 at 05:17:19:

I only reported what other posters have said. And many feel the 2 channel High resolution tracks will go the way of the doo-doo bird, after all there is a CD layer, well the CD layer is not good enough for me. What is this about a clue anyway, I just DO NOT WANT 2 channel high resolution to DISAPPEAR under any circumstances!
Please lightenup!
Teresa

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"Smart movement of Sony.
Single layered DVD side of DualDisc has not enough place (4,7 Gb) for:
1. Dolby Digital tracks, DTS tracks, visual & bonus content in VIDEO_TS folder (for all DVD players).
2. MLP stereo and MCH tracks, plus the same visual & bonus content in AUDIO_TS folder (for DVD-Audio players).
They will have to rid something of. I think it will be MLP stereo. And/or for long albums they will lower the resolution of MLP MCH track aswell.
And when some day they rid the MLP content of in whole (like Sony in their test batch of DualDiscs last autumn) in favor of DVD-Video content, they'll realize that this solution doesn't affect the sales of DialDiscs at all.
After all DVD-A was not most bad format on this earth. RIP.
LOL (c) ZS KEKL"

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Re: Learn to use language more effectively. - John Kotches 05:13:09 06/17/04 (2)
Teresa,
I responded directly to your comments, not what others have said.
Do I need to remind you what you said again? It was a proclamation.
It started off with true music lovers only listening to 2 channel mixes (not true) and you eventually backed down the rhetoric, somewhat.
If DualDisc affects the retail presence of SA-CD, I don't have a problem with that. I'd venture to say that the bulk of SA-CDs sales are via mail order anyway.
From a market perspective, if DualDiscs continue sell at the $20 price point that they were test marketed at, the record companies will enjoy the extra revenues assuming they offset the additional costs of production.

Regards,
John Kotches
- Wrong, sir! You have the language problem. You did not respond to my comment but Z1's here is the note and response: - Teresa 23:15:23 06/17/04 (1)
  YOU SAID
  Teresa:
  Wow... So then a DualDisc won't include a CD mix with 2-channels? That's news to me. I thought that was the point of DualDisc.
  DualDisc can't contain a Stereo and Multi-channel track on the DVD side? That's news to me. Both of the DualDiscs I own have both. One (Barenaked Ladies) is 48K the other (3 Doors Down) is 96K.
  Why not simply avoid making such proclamations in the first place? That seems like the best approach since it's easy to demonstrate just how far away from having a clue you are.
  I RESPONDED with POST by Z1 about the proclamation of leaving out the High Rez 2 channel audio for lack of space.
  The goal of DualDisc is to include a CD layer. I did not make any proclamations
  I only reported what other posters have said. And many feel the 2 channel High resolution tracks will go the way of the doo-doo bird, after all there is a CD layer, well the CD layer is not good enough for me. What is this about a clue anyway, I just DO NOT WANT 2 channel high resolution to DISAPPEAR under any circumstances!
  Please lightenup!
  Teresa
  
  Here is just one post:
  "Smart movement of Sony.
  Single layered DVD side of DualDisc has not enough place (4,7 Gb) for:
  1. Dolby Digital tracks, DTS tracks, visual & bonus content in VIDEO_TS folder (for all DVD players).
  2. MLP stereo and MCH tracks, plus the same visual & bonus content in AUDIO_TS folder (for DVD-Audio players).
  They will have to rid something of. I think it will be MLP stereo. And/or for long albums they will lower the resolution of MLP MCH track aswell.
  And when some day they rid the MLP content of in whole (like Sony in their test batch of DualDiscs last autumn) in favor of DVD-Video content, they'll realize that this solution doesn't affect the sales of DialDiscs at all.
  After all DVD-A was not most bad format on this earth. RIP.
  LOL (c) ZS KEKL"
  
  NOWHERE IN EITHER OF THESE POSTS IS MENTIONED YOUR TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF MY SENTENCE ABOUT 2 CHANNEL AUDIO LOVERS. IN WHICH I HAD TO MAKE THE SENTENCE "CLEARER" JUST FOR YOU. I DID NOT BACK DOWN FROM ANY RHETORIC AS I USED NO RHERTORIC, ONLY PROBLEM IS YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING OF ENGLISH, I may have to write you a book to help you understand a simple sentence, but here goes:
  Original sentence: This is bad news to TRUE music lovers who prefer NO VIDEO and 2 channel stereo we will now have to go back to Mail Order to get our audiophile SACDs.
  Revised senctence: This is bad news to TRUE 2 channel music lovers who prefer NO VIDEO as we will now have to go back to Mail Order to get our audiophile SACDs.
  So since you understand neither sentence here is the long version:
  A "True" 2 channel music listener verus a casual 2 channel music listener who cares more about video content, lyrics and other extras would not miss a high resolution 2 channel mix like a true 2 channel music lover does, So the absence if a 2 channel mix to true 2 channel music lovers is TRAGIC! To the videophile 2 channel listener with a low resolution system even Dolby Digital folded down to 2 channel may be good enough! There was NO MENTION whatsoever of multi-channel listeners as I was talking about multi-channel folded down to 2 channel stereo listeners. Multi-channel listeners don't have this problem as they listen to the multi-channel mix. Now is that easier to understand?
  I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED ON MULTI-CHANNEL HOLIER THAN THOU'S PICKING ON 2 CHANNEL MUSIC LOVERS - THIS MUST STOP NOW!
  Also if the DualDiscs intend to replace CDs their price had better be $13.00 not $20.00, maybe I have nothing to worry about afterall!
  Happy listening,
  Teresa
  - Re: Yes, you do have a clarity issue. - John Kotches 06:41:19 06/18/04 (0)
    Wow, it takes several posts to clarify what you actually want to say?
    And then, you don't even make the point clearly.
    I have two DualDiscs. One has a 24/96K stereo mix. One has a 24/48K stereo mix. So, in my sample of discs which is admittedly small, 1/2 of them have delivered a high resolution stereo mix.
    It is far too early to tell what the final product will look like across several hundred titles, since this was a limited test marketing sampling with only about 15-20 titles available. Anyone saying that it's bad news for true 2 channel (or any channel counts) music lovers is extremely premature. You made a proclamation that is at this time wholly unsupportable.
    BTW, it's the 2 channel fanatics that adopt the "holier than though" approach, as you have done on numerous occasions. Never mind the fact that stereo was an inherent compromise from the beginning.
    Do you want to revisit all those DSD posts, and your constant vacillation over which format you're going to support? It's rather entertaining fare.
    If you can't deal with criticism based on what you've said, then you're participating in the wrong forum.
    
    Regards,
    John Kotches

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