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In Reply to: Re: ZS I believe you are correct this time. If the "Dual Discs" are mixed in with the CDs at the chain stores. posted by John Kotches on June 15, 2004 at 09:08:01:
A mutli-channel wizz bang mix of say, the Moody Blues, "Days Of Future Passed" targeted at mum & dads who've just bought their home theatre in a box would make most music lovers keel over.Thats the point. I'd want a hirez stereo since thats how it was recorded/released originally. On the other hand, I have no problem with the latest drum & bass album being recorded for multi-channel and released that way.
Daniel.
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four things:1) not all multichannel setups are mum and dads who use an HTIB. (not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what makes you happy - use what you enjoy) there are lots of us, myself included, who have built a multichannel system the way we build a 2-channel system. mine, in fact, was built as an addition to my 2-channel.
2) i think that multichannel versions of 'days of future passed' and 'on the threshold of a dream' (which is one of my favorite albums, btw), could be absolutely *stunning*! have you heard pink floyd DSOTM in MC on a proper set-up? if not, then don't complain about 2-channel re-issues done MC. (i promise you - on that album and on peter gabriel's 'up' - if you listen mc and then go back and try to listen 2-channel, you'll be bored stiff with the latter) while i will agree with you that we don't need to go back and take an old marty robbins (for example) recording and mix it such that his guitar is coming from behind you, slightly to the left - i do believe that certain styles of music do lend themselves to whiz-bang effects. you just so happened to choose one band that i feel does. like pink floyd, who were one of their primary influences, the moody blues used all sorts of hard stereo pans and engineering tricks for theatrical effect. i can't imagine that they would not have done it multichannel if it had been available. which brings us to
3) what if the original band/mixer/engineer/producer is the one responsible for the mix? is that still being too revisionist? like pink floyd on DSOTM, the moody blues were involved in the MC mix of the DTS versions of their albums and will be invlolved in the SACD MC mixes. if that's how the artist wants it, who are we to tell them they can't revise their own work? and lastly
4) that's what's so great about SACD (and a great option of DVD-A) - with SACD there *has* to be a 2-channel mix! so if you don' ever want to hear the MC version, you don't have to! lets not halt progress of MC because a few people are afraid it will kill 2-channel. it won't. we're still talking about 2 formats that may never break into the mainstream. and asuuming they do, if SACD ends up being the "winner," then you have nothing to worry about since the provisions for SACD state that there must be a stereo mix.
Sorry, but the classification as "TRUE music lovers" only listening in stereo is hogwash. It's nice to see a "two-channel" mafia playing along though.The number of channels that someone uses to listen to music is wholly irrelevant to their love of the material.
You too are confusing audiophilia with love of music.
hear, hear!couldn't agree with you any more!
and as for a multichannel mix of the moody blues - i'm hoping that 'on the threshold of a dream' is half as good as DSOTM.
if so, i'll be one happy multichannel-sacd-listening-type-guy.
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/You are welcome to check out the above address to find out about quad recordings. It is obvious you do not know about these recordings. I was partly responsible for the DTS recordings of the Moodies titles and in no way were they involved at all, except in the orignal release. IN 1970s. Very little was altered in thoise releases, other than a fake center derived from the front-turn it off. Screws up the soundfiled, but desired by DTS at the time. These are the quad recordings from the 70's as are the upcoming releases. 2 channel recordings are fake soundfields and quad recordings have the full reality soundfield available. What is put in that soundfield is a wide varience, but it has the ability to recreate how you actually hear sound, or a mix that entertains. The best recordings have a blend of both. All the quad recordings of the Moodies and many others are available by quadraphiles, as we have DTS encoding available for a couple years now with our computers. Now we have DVD-A encoding available also.
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