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WaveLab5 many many bugs in DVD-A authoring

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Hi to everybody I finally tested the WaveLab5 particularly the DVD-A section.
On the paper great things but in practical also many problems:
a) dvd-a ripping, does not work correctly infact rips only some tracks and after give errors or the wave files are only digital noise;
b) dvd-a pal: the menu are not correctly displayed on tv (I have to make test with NTSC;
c) as usual many problems with Pioneer 656A Player (but before saying that is a Pioneer fault, remember that Pioneer 656A use the chipset that is full respecting the DVD-A protocol standards, many others DVD-A Players use a DSP that does not cover the full DVD-A protocol - do You remember the problems with Steel in the gapeless version? Minnetonka fixed the prob after that Pioneer indicate the errors in the data stream of DVD-A created with Steel);
Any way WL5 is a new product and as all new software products the new users are the tester that after have spended their money to buy the new software start to spend time, money in testing to make the new product more affordable for the software house and for the new clients!!! Imagine if anybody of us could accept something like this when he buy a new car? I think none of us accept things like this except in software and computers.
Bye Bye
niconico

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Re: WaveLab5 many many bugs in DVD-A authoring - Mathias Myka 11:14:35 06/03/04 (2)
I received my copy of WL5 last week and started a few tests. First of all, everyone who knows discWelder's user interface will have to say that WL5 is light years ahead of the competition.
Some more observations:
basic audio functionality seems to be quite good. For my first experiments, I used a live recording of Handel's Messiah I had done two weeks ago; this means about 2 hours of music and 40+ tracks in one group (4ch/24/48); any gaps at start of tracks etc. would be unacceptable there. The first DVD I made was without any menus or video stills, and that worked just fine on all players I tried (Pioneer DV747, Denon DVD-A11, Panasonic RA71 and CQ-DVR909). No gaps, no playback problems at high tracks numbers. If you consider how long it took Minnetonka to figure it all out, that's not too bad.
However, I have to confirm niconicos reports about menu problems. The Pioneer doesn't seem to display anything at all, and on the Panasonic, the display of highlighted (i.e. selected) track titles appears in the wrong place. Looks as if they're imposing an NTSC picture over a PAL screen.
I haven't tried DVD ripping yet, but the manual states that copy-protected and/or encoded tracks (which include MLP) cannot be read.
Mathias
- Do you feel WL5 offers most of the functionality of Chrome? - Eric LeRouge 11:25:26 06/04/04 (1)
  Your post sounds really cool, now I wonder what the main reason would be to upgrade to Chrome, apart from the need for MLP Surcode? (esp. with DL discs on the horizon)
  Best
  Eric
  - Re: Do you feel WL5 offers most of the functionality of Chrome? - neilwilkes@opusproductions.com 06:17:11 06/12/04 (0)
    Well, just for starters
    1/. Video_TS import legality checker
    2/. Custom menu design, including Photoshop PSD support
    3/. DLT support
    4/. CPPM support
    5/. Macrovision support
    6/. MLP support
    7/. PGC blocks - embed a dedicated stereo mix with the surround one & avoid having to use downmix coefficients
    8/. Motion Menu support
    9/. Company logo as first play
    10/. Far more intuitive interface
    11/. Better slideshow options. User select on back/forward without interrupting the audio. Or defined times.
    12/. Static onscreen displays available whilst tracks are playing
    13/. Etc
    Chrome also does the dual layer thing too. Add the MLP to that, and WaveLab does not even come close. Sorry. (Just my opinion)
$$$ for beta testing? - Eric LeRouge 09:53:57 06/03/04 (1)
Hi Niconico
Very interesting. I guess you need to allow for some time before Steinberg irons out a few bugs.
About your point a) : does it rip only LPCM tracks, or did you manage to rip tracks from MLP encoded sections?
Could you rip tracks made with discWelder?
About the digital noise: sometimes 24 bit PCM is not recognized as LPCM because of a header problem, so maybe that could be the case? If yes, you could fix that by using LPCM24, a freeware found on Hydrogenaudio. You need to follow the steps very carefully (it's a very basic DOS-type program), but that usually fixes 24 bit files.
I think the problem with Pioneer players is really with their implementation of the DVD-A specs, because they managed to release a firmware upgrade in North America, and new models don't have the problems?
Best
Eric
- Re: $$$ for beta testing? - niconico 02:27:46 06/07/04 (0)
  Dear Eric,
  as usually I have to wait the bugs removal.
  About the ripping problem steinberg has found the bug and will release a patch (unfotunately the first patch is announced for beginning of july!!!).
  The ripping is only of LPCM tracks not mlp supported and not copy protected dvd-a too.
  I hope that also Pioneer Europe release a firmware upgrade for 656A.
  Many thanks in advance
  Regards
  niconico

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