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In Reply to: I see things in a different way posted by Eric LeRouge on May 25, 2004 at 12:14:31:
Of course it's here to stay, sadly.
A method of solving this would probably instead provide the downloaders with a cheap, legal alternative, for them to get the music. There would probably be a lot going this route, so they wouldn't be breaking the law. The music business knows this too and are working on solutions for legal downloading of music.
There's still gonna be people who will break the law and continue what they're doing now.If you could provide a fully legal alternative for your kid, where she could download music for a small fee, wouldn't that be better?
My points probably mainly comes from me being "fed up" with all this. The useless copy protections that doesn't work, but I'm paying for. Only thing they do is make my life harder and a criminal if I want to copy the CD to my MD.
And then all the teenagers that think *I'm* stupid, because I buy all my music. It's scary when there's people out there with that kind of morale.
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Viper,Well, that's exactly what they are proposing: a way to make P2P music transfers "legal", for a flat fee. Somewhere around $5 a month sounds OK to me, but not much more.
I understand your frustration, but believe me, you are paying much higher amounts for other useless and illegal things out of your taxes, insurances, etc (I know that's my case anyway :)
As soon as a system that makes economic sense will be in place, I see no real reason for all the copy protection schemes.
There's a greater danger IMO in the digital copyright laws being drafted throughout Europe, those will basically make any recording of your LPs, cassettes, movies, CDs, etc, illegal, even for your own private use. The whole thing is pretty stupid, and really scary if you think that some lawyers, lobbyists and clueless politicians are able to push such totalitarian ideas all the way to parliament.
But that's another story :)
"As soon as a system that makes economic sense will be in place, I see no real reason for all the copy protection schemes."But the corporate welfare recipients will.
Yeah, but the difference is that everybody has to pay, instead of those using it - and there's still no control, as you can download as much as you want, without any problems... Then suddenly $5 is too small an amount.I know that we're paying for such things already, I wrote that earlier ;) But as I wrote then, it is not a reason to just keep adding on that pile.
We agree on all the laws. They're insanely stupid. Like now, you can make a digital copy, for yourself, of your bought CD, which you couldn't do before (at least not here in Denmark), but if it has any copy protection schemes, you are not allowed to break them, to make yourself a copy. How does that make sense? It's just a big mess and there's nobody really taking the time to actually understand the situation.
But I still believe that if cheap alternatives become available from the record companies for people to download music, much of the p2p trafic will stop and they can get an income that way. From what I understand, there's a lot of people willing to pay for downloads, as long as the price is reasonable. But we'll see when this trend actually becomes more available to users than it is today. A lot of the record companies are taking actions to come out with something that provides an alternative to buying the music on CD or whatever.
No wonder you're fed up with taxes.. I think you need two jobs there: one to pay the taxes, and the other to pay the rentJust kidding.. Whereabout in DK are you based? There are several Danish inmates who come to this board regularly
I read there was a Danish artist published on DVD-Audio (and also one on SACD) recently, did you check it out?
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Hehe, yeah... We pay about 50% in taxes and when we want to buy a car, we have to pay 180% more than it costs... And then insurance... Oh, it's great ;)Yeah, I know about some of the danish inmates too - I know of at least 2 others. I'm on Sealand.
I haven't had a chance to check out the SACD yet. Hopefully I'll get around to it pretty soon, should be interesting to see how it turned out.
50% is about what my wife and I pay here in the US. Between federal & state taxes which come out of our paychecks and local real estate tax on our house, the total take was just under 50% of our income last year and just over 50% the year before that. And we're upper middle class at best, carrying a lot of debt and not remotely wealthy. Admittedly, most material goods are cheap here, and sales & fuel taxes are low, but otherwise you're not doing as bad as you think.
I know we have it pretty good, all around. We have a good social system that takes care of everyone and got a lot of other benefits from the taxes we pay.
The main thing that gets to me is all the taxes we have to pay on cars. At least it's getting more focus these days, so changes could happen on that account. It would be nice to be able to afford some of the cars I otherwise would be able to buy, if I were living in Sweden, Germany or the UK.
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