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In Reply to: Re: SACD nearly dead; DVD-A on life support posted by racerguy on May 24, 2004 at 11:12:47:

be an alternative to RBCD and to add MC surround. It has the capability to add video content since it has to be played on a DVD player anyway but that was not it's main purpose ( music was). Only now after the format been out for a while has it become obvious that the video side is just as important as the audio side. So I don't know how you can make that statement that there would be no use for DVD-A to begin with. And if that's the case it does not bold well for SACD as well. As for capacity on a disc I'm sure they are working on ways to add more but for now using dual sided or hybrid disc could be an alternative. Example would be to put video and 5.1 surround on one side and a hi-rez audio only on the other. It would still be just one disc but could satisfy consumers with different priorities to buy it.
Rick

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Re: DVD-A was produced to - racerguy 17:27:41 05/24/04 (6)
Let me try to explain more clearly:
It's a DVD. There is DVD-V because there's not enough room to fit the "A" if there is "V" on it. There is DVD-A because there's not enough room to fit the "V" if there is "A" on it. If both could fit, there would be no need for a DVD-A (or a DVD-V) because it would just be DVD.
And yes, I know about dual-sided discs, which so far appear to have been a market failure.
The way to add more capacity is with a new format, or compress everything even more.
- Re: DVD-A was produced to - Soundgarden 06:15:47 05/25/04 (5)
  "It's a DVD. There is DVD-V because there's not enough room to fit the "A" if there is "V" on it. There is DVD-A because there's not enough room to fit the "V" if there is "A" on it. If both could fit, there would be no need for a DVD-A (or a DVD-V) because it would just be DVD."
  
  Yes, but you have forgotten that both formats did not come out at the same time. So by you simplifing in such terms as above, that scenario could not have been possible anyway. The distinction between the two would still have to be made for all sorts of reasons.
  Rick
  - Re: DVD-A was produced to - racerguy 09:20:20 05/25/04 (4)
    I'm not sure I understand your point. Please clarify.
    - Re: DVD-A was produced to - Soundgarden 09:59:46 05/25/04 (3)
      DVD-V was already released before the technology for DVD-A became available. So if it could have been done to just add it on to DVD-v, no one would know it is there and plus you have the capatability issues for playback. So your suggestion that they could just call it DVD is not possible at this time. You are trying to rewrite history.
      Rick
      - Re: DVD-A was produced to - racerguy 18:12:27 05/25/04 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Re: DVD-A was produced to posted by Soundgarden on May 25, 2004 at 09:59:46:
        
        I see what you're saying now, and no - I'm not trying to "rewrite history." The technology to create hi-rez recordings has been around for many years. The technology to put those hi-rez recordings onto DVD discs was available the day DVD was released. That it was not done for other reasons (such as the several-year argument over which copy protection scheme to use) doesn't change anything.
        The point I made before, and that you seem to be either ignoring or trying to obfuscate, is that if hi-rez audio and full-length video could be put on a DVD disc together, there would not have been a need for a separate format called "DVD-A." In order to combine both, a new format is needed.
        IF anyone wants it. The vast majority of consumers seem to be perfectly satisfied - no, make that ecstatic over - garden-variety DVD-V with Dolby Digital or half-rate DTS soundtracks. Most people think those lossy soundtracks are a huge step up from CDs. Most of those people are watching those DVDs on the same (or similar) TVs they used for watching VHS tapes, so they think the DVD video is great too.
        
        Getting back to my - Soundgarden 19:48:21 05/25/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: DVD-A was produced to posted by racerguy on May 25, 2004 at 18:12:27:
        
        original post and the point I was trying to make and I'm not trying to obfuscate is 1 player, 1 disc, 4 formats. This would make everyone happy ( audiophiles, videophiles and the average Joes ) and I know this has not happened yet but I am looking into future possibilities ( such as the dual sided disc that I mentioned) and the DVD format (including DVD-A) would have to play a role in such a scenario. You keep bringing up the past and saying what could or could not be done with the technology but that was not the intent of my posting. Whats done is done, time to move on.
        Rick
        
        OK, fine - racerguy 14:32:04 05/26/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Getting back to my posted by Soundgarden on May 25, 2004 at 19:48:21:
        
        If you want to believe I'm somehow dwelling in the past, have at it.
        From a functional standpoint, there's nothing wrong with the DVD-A application of the DVD format - as long as you don't want full-length video to go along with hi-rez music. If you do, you're screwed (for now). That is the point I made, and continue to make. Even if you have a Universal player, you can't have both at the same time.
        BTW, Universal players don't make everyone happy, as you opined. I've yet to find a "universal" player that doesn't compromise on one or more formats. If a company builds one that does not compromise, I'll buy it! (assuming that it's not been obsoleted by a future format that allows for hi-rez audio AND full-length video) In the meantime, players focused on specific formats tend to be superior to the jack-of-all-trades players.

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