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In Reply to: I didnt know the hi rez flip disk even started, aside from the seattle-boston experiment... posted by NonA on April 07, 2004 at 09:48:55:
What I wrote! But a few details, there is a law dispute between a German guy about copyright and a few of the discs don´t play in some players....
Well...
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here in good'ol US of A we'll talk until your ears drop or post until theres no bandwidth left :-) le silence est dor nest ce pas :)?I understand that these flip disk thickness are well within established spec (to such extent that even those a few sigma off will still remain < max tolerance) but some players are not, hence the *expected* incompatibility..curious to see what they quoted as the incidence rate, which is really the important question???
i guess the player manufacturers had to cut corners to...not make those disks fit :-)
As for the IP issue I thought that the DVDs had been using the "concept" of dual side for a while irrespective of the type of content...may be not...
Regardless, going from these 2 points to extrapolate a market share adoption failure of the hi-rez dual format/dual disk..seems a bit premature...theres the media spin for you IMO..whats your feel about it from what you read/know/own experience with dual disks?
Have you tried a hirez dual disk what did you think?
> > I understand that these flip disk thickness are well within established spec (to such extent that even those a few sigma off will still remain < max tolerance) < <To add to this, it would not be difficult to ‘weed-out’ any out-of-spec disks, in-process, on the production line (if indeed any unacceptable dimensional variation did occur) using basic metrology equipment at the final-inspection stage. Then there would be zero out-of-spec discs released from the factory.
Actually, a pressing operation such as is used for audio media would probably show a gradual and predictable thickness shift within the tolerance band, which could probably be foreseen and prevented using SPC techniques ("statistical-process-control", or "six-sigma" etc), so the operator would know when to reset the machine, and start a new batch, to eliminate any shift to outside the allowable tolerance band.
I doubt Barry Fox has really studied SPC ( "Six-Sigma" — is what GE likes to call it).
Did sell? I hear they did well.
Yep, like hot cakes. Some folks on E-bay managed to get $50 for each one!
Not bad, is there any talk of more titles?
Ah, now that's top secret!
Do´r..Am I childish? I think so...The problem is, it was a small test, and there a few glinches...What about the mass market? That may trouble the industry...
I think that we have difficult times...Flip discs...SACD II....Everywhere the same skeptisism....SACD II would have the same problems with players as it MAY be now with the new discs.
No I have not, ( In Europe fully unknowed ) but as I recently discussed in Paris with Eric, I don´t like the idea..He likes it...So every one takes his pics!Cheers,
Patrick
. . . was your article written/sourced by the critic "Barry Fox", by any chance?B.T.W. . . . Dieter Dirks was always 'disputing'. He reckons he owns the ‘rights’. However, he apparently developed it while working for Warner, and Warner still has rights to make it for its own purposes (would seem logical).
Also, disk thickness has frequently been cited. The max allowable thickness for CD/DVD media is 1.5mm, and the DualDisc's max thickness is about 1.45mm. So it should be OK (providing they can maintain the tight tolerances during manufacture -- which they reckon they can.
Well old for you, but not for me!
And yes it is Barry Fox / May 2004. But why wanting to discredite him?
One another test of the Sony SCD-XA9000ES by Paul Miller ( good guy for digital ) against DVD-A...Well read it for yourself!
That would be to controversial here....
No, I do not know the results in advance.
No, I do not have a favorite.
No, I am not trying to start a flame war.
No, I am not on the DVD-A team.
No, I am not on the "Kill SACD" team.
No, I am not on any team.I have no financial or vested interest in either format.
Did I leave any out?
And , I have NO " particuliar or peculiar,... " relation with Chris.
Thats all.....
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I'm not discrediting Barry Fox. He is a "critic". That's his job. It's funny, though, how all the anti-DualDisc stuff seems to come from him. (At least, that's my observation over the last few months). It's also funny how he’s never seemed to criticize SACD, and often there’s a SACD ‘plug’ in his articles on DualDisc. One does therefore wonder if there is a thinly-veiled agenda here?
recordings sound nearly as good on my Esoteric DV-50 as on their DVD-A counterparts. So SACD may outlive the death of DSD.
And knows of some DAD´s who sounds better than a lot of SACD and as fars I knows as DVD-A...
It depends of the capability of the guys on the other side, mostly.
pull in that other line our you may get "hooked" for trolling without a license! Who really cares what is written in the press? Enjoy your music and forget the rhetoric. By the way, do you read magazines while you listen or do you just read magazines?
I like to fish in trouble waters. Well if you really wants to know...Both.
As I always enjoy music...Hehe...
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