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The latest " Hi-Fi Review " seems to think so.
Follow Ups:
Here's a link that takes one to other links on the future of DVD-A in cars:
Hey, guys... Calm down. Patrick is just relaying information and this turns into a big mess about God knows what...Do what you will with the information provided by Patrick, but don't kill the messenger.
I forget to add ( a little 40° fever and a body feeling like " Passion " that I spoke a long time ago with J. Kotches about the fact that if the " dual disc " don´t come, it would be very somber for the future of DVD-A. It was in a light of that background that I post this.
And, after seeing the poor traffic at the moment on Highway 61, I though a little wake up Susy may be of some use...
thank you for saving the day...poor bastards we need help yes :-)...nothing like suggesting death to bring about positive change...do try it in the other forum since it works so well here :-)...ill wait for your post there :)
a "calm down" statement. Are you missing something in the translation? A bit of a thick skin is needed if one wants to post. We are not hear to deal with eggshell people. Thanks!
Hey, as I wrote... Don't kill the messenger.
I mean... A few people actually took the information and thought about it... But a lot more got into a verbal frenzy about all kinds of ignorant shit. Is this a kindergarden or what? People are getting all PMS-like over nothing currently - that goes for both camps. It's some sad shit, man.
Don´t take to seriously..But basically you are right.
Kindergarten.
your post would probably be deleted or you would be flamed by the SACD faithful. As it is, the moderator probably agrees with you and thus sees nothing wrong with your post. In fact it was fine up till your comment on the "death of DVD-A". Fortunately, here on the Audiobahn, we are not as dogmatic, to each his own and opinions and comments are allowed from all.
so I'm going to delete all of your posts when I get around to it.At least try and be somewhat factual when make assertions.
I don't delete ANTI SACD posts on HiRez. Get off of your lazy ass and search the archives. There are hundreds and hundreds of them there. Just ask Frank, ZS and NonA.
Geeze, you're a parrot and a dumb one at that.
Chris
I may say that good that you are not a moderator here!
Agree with me? About what?
You seem to confound information with " flamme ".
Who is " we "? I am " we " too.
As for the word " death or " end " just the same.
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he is just commenting that there is more tolerance and freedom here, than at the SACD board. As is obvious. 1 full day and 500 people there discussing whether my question was MORE than a mere question.It was just a question, nothing more. Chris underdtands that now. So enjoy the tolerance. And express the need for more of it, there.
there has been plenty of discussion and comment about how posts that are "negative" towards SACD will be handled. If you had said this on the hi-way, Chris has made it clear that it would probably be deleted or assigned to whiners road. Course here he doesn't even bother to moderate but merely piles on when he feels like it. You should forget about posting negative on DVD-A and go visit the hiway. They like to live with their heads in the sand vis a vis their little "club"
I think you totally missed Chris point, he was not condenning a post but what he saw as an attitude.
But that is past and some have rejoined the rank, so to speak.
That is past.
briefly, what was said in that article?
What I wrote! But a few details, there is a law dispute between a German guy about copyright and a few of the discs don´t play in some players....
Well...
here in good'ol US of A we'll talk until your ears drop or post until theres no bandwidth left :-) le silence est dor nest ce pas :)?I understand that these flip disk thickness are well within established spec (to such extent that even those a few sigma off will still remain < max tolerance) but some players are not, hence the *expected* incompatibility..curious to see what they quoted as the incidence rate, which is really the important question???
i guess the player manufacturers had to cut corners to...not make those disks fit :-)
As for the IP issue I thought that the DVDs had been using the "concept" of dual side for a while irrespective of the type of content...may be not...
Regardless, going from these 2 points to extrapolate a market share adoption failure of the hi-rez dual format/dual disk..seems a bit premature...theres the media spin for you IMO..whats your feel about it from what you read/know/own experience with dual disks?
Have you tried a hirez dual disk what did you think?
> > I understand that these flip disk thickness are well within established spec (to such extent that even those a few sigma off will still remain < max tolerance) < <To add to this, it would not be difficult to ‘weed-out’ any out-of-spec disks, in-process, on the production line (if indeed any unacceptable dimensional variation did occur) using basic metrology equipment at the final-inspection stage. Then there would be zero out-of-spec discs released from the factory.
Actually, a pressing operation such as is used for audio media would probably show a gradual and predictable thickness shift within the tolerance band, which could probably be foreseen and prevented using SPC techniques ("statistical-process-control", or "six-sigma" etc), so the operator would know when to reset the machine, and start a new batch, to eliminate any shift to outside the allowable tolerance band.
I doubt Barry Fox has really studied SPC ( "Six-Sigma" — is what GE likes to call it).
Did sell? I hear they did well.
Yep, like hot cakes. Some folks on E-bay managed to get $50 for each one!
Not bad, is there any talk of more titles?
Ah, now that's top secret!
Do´r..Am I childish? I think so...The problem is, it was a small test, and there a few glinches...What about the mass market? That may trouble the industry...
I think that we have difficult times...Flip discs...SACD II....Everywhere the same skeptisism....SACD II would have the same problems with players as it MAY be now with the new discs.
No I have not, ( In Europe fully unknowed ) but as I recently discussed in Paris with Eric, I don´t like the idea..He likes it...So every one takes his pics!Cheers,
Patrick
. . . was your article written/sourced by the critic "Barry Fox", by any chance?B.T.W. . . . Dieter Dirks was always 'disputing'. He reckons he owns the ‘rights’. However, he apparently developed it while working for Warner, and Warner still has rights to make it for its own purposes (would seem logical).
Also, disk thickness has frequently been cited. The max allowable thickness for CD/DVD media is 1.5mm, and the DualDisc's max thickness is about 1.45mm. So it should be OK (providing they can maintain the tight tolerances during manufacture -- which they reckon they can.
Well old for you, but not for me!
And yes it is Barry Fox / May 2004. But why wanting to discredite him?
One another test of the Sony SCD-XA9000ES by Paul Miller ( good guy for digital ) against DVD-A...Well read it for yourself!
That would be to controversial here....
No, I do not know the results in advance.
No, I do not have a favorite.
No, I am not trying to start a flame war.
No, I am not on the DVD-A team.
No, I am not on the "Kill SACD" team.
No, I am not on any team.I have no financial or vested interest in either format.
Did I leave any out?
And , I have NO " particuliar or peculiar,... " relation with Chris.
Thats all.....
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I'm not discrediting Barry Fox. He is a "critic". That's his job. It's funny, though, how all the anti-DualDisc stuff seems to come from him. (At least, that's my observation over the last few months). It's also funny how he’s never seemed to criticize SACD, and often there’s a SACD ‘plug’ in his articles on DualDisc. One does therefore wonder if there is a thinly-veiled agenda here?
recordings sound nearly as good on my Esoteric DV-50 as on their DVD-A counterparts. So SACD may outlive the death of DSD.
And knows of some DAD´s who sounds better than a lot of SACD and as fars I knows as DVD-A...
It depends of the capability of the guys on the other side, mostly.
pull in that other line our you may get "hooked" for trolling without a license! Who really cares what is written in the press? Enjoy your music and forget the rhetoric. By the way, do you read magazines while you listen or do you just read magazines?
I like to fish in trouble waters. Well if you really wants to know...Both.
As I always enjoy music...Hehe...
Interesting. Is the opinion based on speculation or on data? Which "Hi Fi Review" is that, BTW? Is it a German magazine or the UK Hi Fi News?Thanks
Igor
Sorry for the Mixed up the UK.
See my post above, please!
And a very positive review for the Sony digital combo, where they says that SACD sound better in a way, what I think is crap*....I still did not finish to read.....
* In the highest resolution
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