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In Reply to: Discwelder Bronze shipping soon posted by raffells on March 30, 2004 at 22:48:55:
Does Discwelder make 24/192 and 24/96 DADs?
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> Does Discwelder make 24/192 and 24/96 DADs? <There's no such thing as a "DAD" outside of Classic Records, and then they're just DVD-Video discs with 96kHz PCM.
Having seen All these people stating on this forum that all these new releases of dvda? can play on the billions of DVD players in the world...(I imagine there are slightly less of these than the number of CD units)....
I NOW HAVE A BIG QUESTION FOR THEM.,.......If YOU going to MAKE A HOME dvda DISCWELDER BRONZE STEREO ONLY Disc....ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT WONT PLAY ON A NORMAL DVD PLAYER...........IF THIS IS THE CASE ...ITS GOING TO BE A DISASTER...If it does play I pressume we are we back to the preset resolution of the dvd machines..ie downconverting to 16/46hz in some cases....
Urgent reply required.......Dave
Dave,I'm not sure that's your question, but YES, discs authored with discWelder Bronze (stereo or multichannel) will require a DVD-Audio compatible player. And NO, it won't be a disaster, because there's over 120 DVD-Audio compatible models on the market, with a significant number below $250 now. DVD-Audio compatible players are a commodity, people will just pick one up if they want to make their DVD-A discs. The cost of blank DVD/R/RW discs is much more of an issue than the cost of a player at this point.
If you want to author a disc that will play on the "billions of DVD players in the world" (sic :) you need to author a DVD-V, and you can use a number of standard authoring packages (look in the archives, this has been discussed many times).
If you want to author a disc with both DVD-Audio and DVD-Video content, you need to 1) author each structure and 2) import them in your DVD project. Very few software packages allow this at the moment, and they are priced well above $99...
Apparently, the new version of Wavelab may be able to do it (see thread above), so if that's what you really want, perhaps you should check it out.
I hope this helps
Eric
BTW, Minnetonka says their discs have no problem with the Pioneer 563, they had problems and worked it out with Pioneer. There's an update for existing Steel and Chrome users that takes care of the Pioneer issue, available under Technical Support
> If you want to author a disc with both DVD-Audio and DVD-Video content, you need to 1) author each structure and 2) import them in your DVD project. Very few software packages allow this at the moment, and they are priced well above $99... <I've been testing the betas of DVDLab Pro - one of the things this version of the software allows is multiple VTS sets. This allows one to create a DVD project, then import that project into another DVD structure. This should allow a DVD-A VTS to be imported, created with Bronze or similar. I think... I should give it a try.
***I think... I should give it a try.***Good idea :)
I remember trying to import a discwelder Video_TS and Audio_TS into another software to build a DAD, but for some reason it didn't work
Does DVDLab Pro allow 24/96? Is it easy to build a music DVD with it?
Importing isn't as easy as it sounds, the project into which a VTS is imported needs a VMG menu, the standard menus in the first project have to link up to this menu and the links have to share the same names across the projects. In other words, lots of hidden ways to mess up.> Does DVDLab Pro allow 24/96? <
Hi Eric and big thanks for detailed reply....
Yes it will be a disaster for me as I ve promised someone that If I start DIY dVDA then his DVD standard machine will be able to play my discs....Lets face it How many times have people on this forum mention DVDA discs being able to play on the billions of DVD machines worldwide.......Hope some of them can eat humble pie,......and if we see any one else posting such comments we should reply.....
As I have a dual machine I already knew I am ok.....
However which of the standard DAD type authorizing packages would you recommend..............................................................When I return I from states (2 weeks) I will bring up the subject of quietening down mains bourne noise( filters not fans)on the PC, as I know this is an overlooked and vital part of this subject....Dave
Most commercial DVD-A are authored with a DVD-V compatible group, and are therefore playable on "billions" of DVD players worldwide. The DVD-V material can be DTS, DD, or PCM(16/48 or 24/96 maybe other rates?).peace
-o
Eric,16 to 24 bits, 48 or 96kHz are permissible for DVD-Video to be precise :-)
Regards,
John Kotches
But since you mention it, I think I have some DVD-Vs with lower than 48k resolution (transferred from VCD?), in particular a Depeche Mode "best of" DVD, I think it was 16/24 or 16/22. The sound was terrible :(Best
Ya know, I was just going to ask what was meant by a DAD. Thanks for the info.discWelder BRONZE makes DVD-Audio discs only and supports 24/192 and 24/96 stereo and well as a whole bunch of other combinations of sampling rate and bitdepth. The full capabilities of BRONZE, STEEL and CHROME are defined in their respective manuals.
You can get the BRONZE manual on http://www.discwelder.com in the Downloads section.
Hi CDR,
It is great to see some industry representation. There are many folks here who are intrested in and confused about creating their own hi-rez discs. Hopefully AA will provide a valuable if not always civil feedback loop for your products.
A guy/girl from Minnetonka! Welcome aboard!To clarify, some years ago before DVD-Audio was conceived, Classic Records and Chesky Records realised that the DVD-Video specifications allowed for two-channel 24-bit 96kHz PCM. They decided to release audio-only discs in this form, and Classic coined the phrase "DAD" (for "Digital Audio Disc" I guess). They're nothing special, just a DVD-Video disc with a fancy name.
> discWelder BRONZE makes DVD-Audio discs only and supports 24/192 and 24/96 stereo... <
For those who can't be bothered downloading the manual, doesn't 192kHz 24-bit require MLP packing, and therefore one needs a $2,500 software encoder to enable that facility?
A misconception. The problem is the maximum data rate possible with the dvd mechanisms in use. That data rate is ~9.6 Mbps.192000 x 2 x 24 = 9.2 Mbps
96000 x 4 x 24 = 9.2
48000 x 6 x 24 = 6.9These are all good.
96000 x 5 x 24 = 11.5
Uh oh.
MLP encoding (Meridian Lossless Packing, PPCM, Packed PCM) reduces the data rate for 24/96 5.0 and 5.1 to a manageable number.
Hi CDR interesting moniker for someone from Minnetonka?...
If you have any influence with those people at your outfit..I would respectfully suggest that the issue of having both music files authorized.for playback in billions of standard DVD machines.be made available and easily via the use of the discwelder product ...even if its an update via the web....many thanks..will probably get one whilst I am over there...in just a few hours.....Dave
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