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One more dubious post

Posted by Stale (A) on October 23, 2021 at 16:35:39

In Reply to: Which is more expensive... posted by kootenay on October 23, 2021 at 11:33:02:

Let me state:
It is really hard to hammer a nail with a nail clipper.
It is really dangerous to cut your hair with a lawn mower.
It is really hard to transport 70 inch TV on Harley-Davidson.
If you buy groceries at the most expensive store you will pay more than at the cheapest store.
No shit.
Use wrong tool for a job and complain about a tool?!?

Electric vehicle is not for everyone, every occasion or every market. The same way that Honda Civic is not for everyone, nor Ford F150 4x4 is for everyone, or every occasion, or every market.

If you want to regularly drive long distances, EV is not for you. Currently, there are no sufficient numbers of charging stations and fast charging ones even less. And there is large extra stations' charge in comparison to home electricity.

But, for huge majority of privately driven vehicles that are used locally, situation changes.

EV are generally intended to be charged overnight, so the moment I saw statement "Even charging at home on a Level 1 or Level 2 charger is time consuming and expensive" I had a feeling that the article will only go downhill. But read thru it anyway.

Overnight charging takes time, but not the owner time. It takes 10 seconds to plug it. Owner is not going to stand next to a car whole night while charging. Geez.

His statement of wasted time is correct only if the car is mostly used on a long trips, but can be offset by taking lunch while car charges ,or doing something else. But it is significant drawback.

However, that is not how most of the EV users use their cars and especially how the current EV cars are intended to be used. Average user will spend barely any time charging EV and definitively way less than refilling gas engines as they will generally charge at home and drive locally.

The cost comparison / 100 miles is odd. Seems to mix apples and oranges. Article is using average gas price but not average electricity price and charge from home.

Per Nissan "The average cost of electricity in the US is $0.1285/kWh, meaning it costs only $5.14 on average to recharge your Nissan Leaf to the full 149-mile range." That is about $3.5/100mi. or with average gas price of ~$3/gal you would need ~80mi/gal to make them equal.

Rough conservative calc even in very expensive southern California shows that you would to have a car with 40mpg to roughly make it even. (say 3 times the average $/kWh ~$15/1.49 hundred-miles = $10/100miles. $10/Price of gal 4$ = 2.5 gal 100/2.5= 40mi/gal). Note that all calcs are rough estimates and will depend on a market car, etc.

Good luck finding a similar car that has over 40 mpg driven locally, except maybe hybrids.

If he is talking about Porsche, you will have to compare EV to a car of a similar size and power. He is not doing that, he uses 26mpg, for average similar gas engine car (would like to to see which one), but comparable 911 would be ~20mpg city. And it gets even more odd.

"The cost to drive a luxury EV, such as a Taycan, $15.52 to travel 100 miles. That is using mostly COMMERCIAL CHARGERS". Sorry, as already stated, an average EV owner is not going to do that except occasionally - average user is going to charge mostly at home. Why, BECAUSE THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BUYING IT.

But when I crunch the numbers it is even more odd. Taycan is 80kw for 250 miles range. With the average electricity price it is about $10, (not 15) for charge of 250 miles, or about $4/100mi. Even if tripled that for SoCA , ~$12/100mi, with 4$/gal is it 33 mi/gal equivalent. that is way better mileage than 20mi/gal or even 26mi/gal unfair comparison. Yes, charging stations will cost you extra, sorry like premium gas will cost you, like gas stations next to a highway will cost you extra..., but that is not what you will generally do with EV.

He mentions EV tax (which I am not aware of, but may exist somewhere), so I can not comment.
But there is no mention of money, AND time, for gas cars engine oil changes, transmission oil changes, coolant changes, and checking those on a regular basis . And even brakes last longer on EV due to regenerative braking.
Charger installation cost, give me a break. You do not necessarily need special one, and the cost is spread over years of service. (Guy taking Porsche complains about $500 charger, come on.)

Let's face it. Markets for EV, currently, are not sport enthusiasts, off road driving, cross country driving, etc. It is ordinary person using that car to drive to work, school, store, and do general errands locally.

Taking E-Porsche on a long trips to evaluate EV market is like testing Bugatti Veyron to see if Hyndai owners would switch, and find that Veyron is more expensive to own.

EV are not perfect, far from, it. There are situation where they excel and where they fail. They are new technology with limited range and infrastructure, i.e. charging stations problem. Like gas cars were 100 years ago.

But let's everyone evaluate their own needs and compare costs of each type of vehicle. And do that FAIRLY. Do not use the best case on one side and worst case on the other.

I do not own EV as we needed a car for long trips, AND do not drive that much locally, or even in general. Savings would be limited and would be offset with long trip car rental costs. Thus it did not work for us. But, if I would need to buy a second car for local driving it would be electric. Or if the infrastructure would improve to easily charge EV cars.




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