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Re: My appologies for mis-spelling Mr Tchang's name below....

> My appologies for mis-spelling Mr Tchang's name below.

You have no need to apologise to me, apologise to Mr Tchang/Chang. He may well not be bothered because there are several ways of translating names and yours may be a correct translation using a different method or target language. I have had several Chinese working for me and one periodically changed the spelling of her first name for about 9 months before settling on an English spelling she liked. Left her last name alone though because of the paperwork.

> but does this really mean that Norm and BJH are bad guys?

Who said they were bad guys? They appeared to be the only audiophile consumers in the thread which is why I named them. Everybody else seemed to recognise what was going on even if, like you, they wished to support the scam for reasons of self interest.

> NO, they are just one of US!

I doubt very much they are anything like you. You supply and they consume. Very different.

They are nothing like me either because I have a technical education in the area.

> If the audiophile world worked as a team, it would be a much better
> place.

It does work as team which is what makes it so fascinating to observe. The industry, publications and even web sites like this have developed mechanisms which operate to not only keep current audiophile beliefs going but progressively introduce new ones. All this when opposed by scientific reason and concrete demonstrations from the consumer, computer and pro-audio worlds. It really is remarkable stuff.

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> So let’s have a reasonable, intelligent and productive discussion
> which we are all capable of, IMO.

It is not the capability that is the problem but the self interest. I am quite happy to discuss the topic that Klaus has introduced but very few others want to see the scam discussed because of self interest or a threat to their beliefs. This site does not want and cannot afford to have this sort of discussion which is why we are in Whiners Woad even though Klaus has made significant efforts to provide an on topic, reasoned and pretty tame post given what is going on. I seem to have failed to prod him up a level which I probably should not have done. If it does go up a level the thread will of course be deleted so there is not a lot of point. And fair enough, the site is here to sustain audiophile beliefs and that is what all but a handful want to see happen.



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