In Reply to: Re: This forum posted by Steve Eddy on August 5, 2003 at 22:02:43:
Steve, I am entirely in agreement with nearly everything you say. I also understand why you say.
"Someone will make a declarative statement of fact which firmly plants that claim in the objective realm, but then they get upset because their claim is held to the same standards of proof as other objective claims." is where I disagree. I think there are two types of subjectivists. One is like me where we do not think the theory or measurement are sufficiently strong to explain variations in what we hear. The second type, I think, infuriates you. These are those who justify their product's differences on theoretical bases but without proof. They do not infuriate me as I view this entirely as capitalism and advertising. If their product works, I would really like to know why, and if not, I dismiss them. But I think very often that designers get a wild hair, act on it, and get an improvement. If they try to scientifically justify it, you take exception given your scientific understanding. I, however, would say that they may have something and call on improved theory and further gathering of facts. But they are in business to make money not to further scientific understanding.Perhaps the objectivist/subjectivist debate should be the "theory is strong and measurement good" group versus the "theory is not strong nor measurement good" group. I am in the second group and suspect you are in the first group. :)
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- The source of my misunderstanding? - Norm 06:41:11 08/06/03 (0)