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That's Because You're Answers Are So Vague

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on August 24, 2006 at 08:45:08

In Reply to: Re: You mix up quanitifiers like some, all, every. posted by Pat D on August 23, 2006 at 06:31:50:

Pat, you amaze me. You tell me to grow up because I'm acting childish and you all claim I'm always mis-stating your postion on wires!

Pat you're the one who needs to grow up and stop playing games. I've attempted to take you at your word when you say I'm not stating your postion on wires correctly. Even though IMHO it appears to me that you contradict yourself, I decided that maybe you were correct and I have indeed misunderstood your postion on wires. So I acted like an adult would in that situation, i.e. I admitted perhaps I was mistaken and maybe I didn't quite understand what it is you hold to.

I then stated very clearly that I was going to attempt to try and understand your beliefs better (because you always claim I state your postion incorrectly) So once again like an adult I said, Pat rather than attempt a tit for tat series of posts, lets start by wiping the slate clean between on as far as all previous posts on wires are concerned. This is not the first time I've offered you an olive branch.

I've acted like an adult before when I publically apologized to you when I felt I was mistaken as this post shows; http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=prophead&n=17139&highlight=thetubeguy1954&r=&session=

So I asked you like an adult to please explain to me once and for all in a clear & precise manner what your beliefs on wires are! Do you or do you not believe that wires effect the sound of a system audibly? If they do how, why and when do they? If they don't, why don't they?

I ended this very adult attempt at mending fences with you and trying to really understand your postion, by saying; Who knows maybe if I really understand what you believe I might even agree with it. But as of now I have no idea what you believe, which is evidenced by your always responding to my posts with some variation of; I'm not correctly attributing to you what you believe.

So how did you respond to this very adult attempt on my part? By very childishly insulting me (which you've done many times in the past) with this comment; "How is it possible to discuss intelligently with someone who mixes up some, all, every, potency and act?" and then ending your post with "That's hardly my problem." That's NOT very adult behavior on your part Pat.

I've attempted to let bygones be bygones more than once with you Pat, but you'd rather be childish and continue to insult me, even when I'm trying to end such behavior on both are parts. Then you claim I insult you, which I have in the past. However that's due to my frustration from your constant insults and vagueness in your posts!

You claim I don't understand you postion and that's 100% correct. How can I when you seem to bounce from opposite postions, as evidenced in this 3 quotes of yours:

1) "You offer no proof that differences between 3 foot interconnects at line level or 10 foot speaker cables of reasonable gauge are ordinarily audible with equipment that is functioning properly within its design limits" (Taken from this post of yours: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/21106.html )

To which I ask, Why would I need to prove I heard a difference in wires to someone who claims what you do in #3 below? Which I'll provide here. "...where is it that I have said that wires never make a difference or cannot make a difference? In fact, as you well know, I have in the past pointed out instances where wires have made an audible difference proved in DBTs." Pat "IF" you REALLY believed "...wires have made an audible difference (has been) proved in DBTs" you wouldn't require proof when people say they can hear differences in wires, because you'd know it's a PROVEN fact that they do make audible differences!

2) "Strange that even staunch believers can't prove they hear differences between cables in sensible set ups. (Taken from this post of yours; http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=prophead&n=21176&highlight=thetubeguy1954&r=&session=)

Now this seems to truly explain what you feel about wires! You now state the belief that even staunch believers cannot PROVE they hear differences in wires! Why should they need to provide proof when you already know it's been proven in DBT's wires have made an audible difference? Why do you then demand PROOF from Subjectivists if you know it's already been proven? That seems like trolling at it's finest to me. You KNOW it's a PROVEN fact via DBT's that wires have made an audible difference, but then demand Subjectivists prove they can hear the differences that have been proven via DBTs already!

3) "...where is it that I have said that wires never make a difference or cannot make a difference? In fact, as you well know, I have in the past pointed out instances where wires have made an audible difference proved in DBTs." (Taken from this postof yours: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/21873.html )

Seems to me Pat you either believe wires can make a difference that's audibly noticeable or you believe wires cannot make a difference that's audibly noticeable. You cannot have it both ways Pat, they either do or they don't!

You say you know it's been PROVEN in DBT's that wires have made an audible difference, yet when a Subjectivists says he hears such a difference you then demand they prove it! Why should they have to prove what's already been proven? You're either trolling, deliberately muddying the waters or just provoking Subjectivists, when you should just stop acting like a child and speak clearly and plainly what you believe and why! You might be right and you might be wrong, but at least you'll be speaking honestly and like an adult when you do!

Thetubeguy1954

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