Its not just MLP though... proove me wrong

Posted by SnaggS (A) on April 5, 2003 at 18:50:26

In Reply to: is anything perfect? (nt) posted by mark111 on April 5, 2003 at 08:25:14:

With DVD-A, if measuring the outcomes against their objectives, its easy to see they failed. Also, I'll include a dictionary definition of flawed, so we can measure whether my use of the word is fair

Flawed : An imperfection, often concealed, that impairs soundness

1) MLP : Couldn't achieve the desired bit-rate, so a low-pass filter was needed to roll off high frequencies.

An imperfection : YES
Concealed : They tried to keep it from the public
Impairs Soundness : YES

MLP = Flawed

QED.

2) Verance Watermarking : Was promised to be inaudible, and then proven not to be. Made not mandatory since it failed to meet its promises.

An imperfection : YES, in more ways than one
Concealed : Warner still won't label their recordings.
Impairs Soundness : YES
Does it work as intended : NO, it was intended to be inaubile

Verance Watermarking = Flawed & Broken

QED.

3)CD Hybrid Compatibility :

Stuffed : It doesn't work
Poor planning : It wasn't planned for, so when they tried to implement it, it didn't work.

CD Hybrid Compatibility = Stuffed & Poorly planned for

QED.

4) Encryption : I will accept this is currently unproven and is conjecture.

5) Stereo System Compatibility : Not Mandated, but included ATM

A simple statement of fact.

6) Copy Protection Integrity of 5.1 :

We know its hacked
We know the general public don't mind lossy compression

How can it be argued this isn't a serious problem ? Do you think people will care to buy an original DVD-A if they can get a copy for a $1 with everything on it but MLP Hirez ? No they won't care.

7) Sales : Low

If selling 700 odd copies of Elvis #1 greatest hits isn't LOW, what is ?

8) Catalogue : Small

Small is being generous!! The number of Actually released titles is tiny.

9) Labels : Few

Compare the number of labels on SACD with those on DVD-A... and many of those on the DVD-A list have released "1" title only.

10) Exclusive Equipment Manufcatures : Leaving the format in droves

This is a fact, most of the previous DVD-A only manufactures have or are moving to Universal players.

Royalty Costs : Too High

Ok, so this is subjective, However, posted on this board is that DVD-A royalties are 6 times those of DVD-A. Surely that makes it high compared to SACD.

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Topic - Is MLP flawed? - uzun 09:41:11 04/03/03 (27)

This should settle the issue . . . - Martin says 02:59:15 04/08/03 (0)

is anything perfect? (nt) - mark111 08:25:14 04/05/03 (1)

Its not just MLP though... proove me wrong - SnaggS 18:50:26 04/05/03 (0)

Not flawed, and I suggest a read of this would be useful . . . - Martin says 05:19:22 04/04/03 (4)

This doesn't address the fact HF is rolled off - SnaggS 18:15:43 04/05/03 (1)

Re: This doesn't address the fact HF is rolled off - NotMe 16:48:56 04/07/03 (0)

the use of a FIFO is mandatory... - tunenut 10:33:36 04/04/03 (1)

No... - Frank 11:34:49 04/04/03 (0)

No, - Frank 10:38:56 04/03/03 (1)

Re: No, - RdH 12:02:18 04/03/03 (0)

Re: Is MLP flawed? - Dave P 10:37:33 04/03/03 (0)

don't know about MLP specifically... - tunenut 10:11:21 04/03/03 (6)

Limiting bandwidth before encode is still better than lowering the sample rate. - Michi 17:15:47 04/03/03 (0)

If implemented correctly there will be no problem. - Audio_RD_Engineer 14:48:20 04/03/03 (4)

But you will never ever get "master tape" sound... - SnaggS 18:17:05 04/05/03 (3)

Re: But you will never ever get "master tape" sound... - Martin says 05:16:23 04/06/03 (2)

Why do we get all the lunies? - Eric LeRouge 11:02:30 04/06/03 (1)

Beats me! :) {n.t.} - Martin says 07:13:31 04/07/03 (0)

Re: Is MLP flawed? - HighEndWire 09:48:12 04/03/03 (8)

Re: Is MLP flawed? - uzun 10:20:55 04/03/03 (7)

slight clarification... - tunenut 10:56:26 04/03/03 (6)

But again not with the MLP spec, but the DVD spec. - Michi 17:24:16 04/03/03 (5)

the reason this would be considered an MLP flaw, if it exists... - tunenut 18:23:41 04/03/03 (4)

agreed.. - Dave P 19:29:03 04/03/03 (3)

Re: agreed../ MLP encoder features - Mathias Myka 22:43:51 04/03/03 (0)

No, you are wrong. Have you guys even read the MLP paper? - Joe Friday 20:32:32 04/03/03 (1)

semantics - Dave P 06:52:43 04/04/03 (0)

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