Sometime ago you will recall (see link below) I did two articles comparing 2ch versions of Diana Krall's Look of Love on DVD-A (96/24), SACD (DSD) and CD (44.1/16).The two "surprising" results were: clipping observed on CD and DVD-A versions, and wider relative dynamics on SACD over DVD-A, and over CD.
At that time, several people correctly pointed out that there is a small chance the clipping could be a result of overload on the analog circuits (player, amplifier, sound card) and the relative dynamics differences could be the result of the different players used for SACD and DVD-A.
Well, I've repeated the experiments, addressing both those concerns, by using a "universal" player (the Denon DVD-2200) and recording at a constant gain such that the peak digital sample on any format never exceeds -3.5dB FS.
The results are ... the same. I can still see the clipped waveforms on the DVD-A version, and SACD dynamics are *still* relatively better than DVD-A.
So it now looks like the differences in dynamics may be more fundamental than differences between players. Given that both DVD-A and SACD transfers come from the same analog master, the differences can now be narrowed to either the transfer process or the underlying format.
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Topic - Part 3: Comparison of Diana Krall's Look of Love on SACD, DVD-A, CD - Christine Tham 01:24:50 06/14/04 (61)
- Re: Part 3: Comparison of Diana Krall's Look of Love on SACD, DVD-A, CD - Eric LeRouge 13:40:29 06/16/04 (0)
- From a slightly different angle - laikadog 16:31:43 06/14/04 (1)
- Re: From a slightly different angle - Christine Tham 16:51:15 06/14/04 (0)
- Christine, could you do a level-matched SACD recording? - Jim Pearce 11:18:19 06/14/04 (1)
- Re: Christine, could you do a level-matched SACD recording? - Christine Tham 14:44:31 06/14/04 (0)
- Some things I don't understand - Eric LeRouge 09:55:10 06/14/04 (24)
- Some answers - Frank.. 13:39:57 06/14/04 (23)
- Some more answers - Christine Tham 14:37:36 06/14/04 (22)
- Thanks Christine - Eric LeRouge 11:25:37 06/15/04 (21)
- OK, here's what I found on my end (HOT PICS of Diana Krall inside :) - Eric LeRouge 12:56:35 06/16/04 (3)
- Re: OK, here's what I found on my end (HOT PICS of Diana Krall inside :) - Frank.. 14:14:39 06/16/04 (1)
- Re: OK, here's what I found on my end (HOT PICS of Diana Krall inside :) - Eric LeRouge 14:24:39 06/16/04 (0)
- Very interesting! Thank you! - Christine Tham 13:49:15 06/16/04 (0)
- Re: Thanks Christine - Christine Tham 16:35:13 06/15/04 (16)
- 1-1 - Frank.. 00:12:56 06/16/04 (15)
- Re: 1-1 - Christine Tham 04:49:31 06/16/04 (13)
- You probably missed it...(link) - Frank.. 05:39:56 06/16/04 (12)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Christine Tham 14:08:19 06/17/04 (11)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Frank.. 14:56:57 06/17/04 (10)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Christine Tham 22:29:26 06/17/04 (9)
- Sorry , probably a bad internet connection.(nt) - Frank.. 02:08:02 06/18/04 (0)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Frank.. 01:37:24 06/18/04 (0)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Frank.. 01:34:56 06/18/04 (0)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Frank.. 01:33:07 06/18/04 (5)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Christine Tham 03:20:38 06/18/04 (4)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Frank.. 10:58:55 06/18/04 (3)
- Re: You probably missed it...(link) - Christine Tham 15:43:56 06/18/04 (2)
- You're diverting the issue.. - Frank.. 12:38:47 06/19/04 (1)
- the point was .. - Christine Tham 00:39:44 06/20/04 (0)
- What the Dutch really need is a new Van Basten :) - Eric LeRouge 04:08:30 06/16/04 (0)
- Christine, why do you feel that this result can be generalized? - Jim Pearce 06:38:10 06/14/04 (3)
- I didn't generalize ... - Christine Tham 06:56:06 06/14/04 (2)
- how do you know it's the same master? - mike_p 13:35:10 06/15/04 (1)
- Re: how do you know it's the same master? - Christine Tham 14:38:49 06/15/04 (0)
- Wrong conclusion... - Frank.. 02:03:06 06/14/04 (26)
- Also ... - Christine Tham 02:24:28 06/14/04 (5)
- AES paper - The Sound Guy 05:47:30 06/15/04 (2)
- Re: AES paper (link) - Frank.. 07:10:36 06/15/04 (1)
- Thanks (nt) - The Sound Guy 08:05:16 06/15/04 (0)
- Re: Also ... - Frank.. 03:22:15 06/14/04 (1)
- Re: Also ... - Christine Tham 03:35:03 06/14/04 (0)
- no ... you are wrong - reread my article more carefully - Christine Tham 02:13:16 06/14/04 (19)
- Do the math... - Frank.. 03:07:54 06/14/04 (18)
- Re: Do the math... - Christine Tham 03:31:44 06/14/04 (17)
- Dolby - The Sound Guy 05:43:09 06/15/04 (1)
- Re: Dolby - Christine Tham 14:50:07 06/15/04 (0)
- Re: Do the math... - Frank.. 04:46:40 06/14/04 (14)
- Re: Do the math... - Christine Tham 05:19:03 06/14/04 (13)
- Re: Do the math... - Frank.. 06:05:30 06/14/04 (12)
- Did you actually read the AES paper? (nt) - Christine Tham 06:25:20 06/14/04 (11)
- Not yet.... - Frank.. 07:38:44 06/14/04 (10)
- Try reading the AES paper before posting any further (nt) - Christine Tham 14:05:33 06/14/04 (8)
- Found it. - Frank.. 06:24:13 06/15/04 (7)
- Thanks for taking the effort to find it and read it - Christine Tham 16:40:58 06/15/04 (6)
- Re: Thanks for taking the effort to find it and read it - Frank.. 01:01:42 06/16/04 (5)
- Re: Thanks for taking the effort to find it and read it - Dan Banquer 02:18:32 06/16/04 (1)
- Sadly... - Frank.. 03:06:53 06/16/04 (0)
- Re: Thanks for taking the effort to find it and read it - Christine Tham 01:29:10 06/16/04 (2)
- Believe what you like... - Frank.. 03:11:53 06/16/04 (1)
- Re: Believe what you like... - Christine Tham 04:43:44 06/16/04 (0)
- If someone Googles "Diana Krall" and finds this thread, they're in for a surprise ( nt :) - Eric LeRouge 08:37:51 06/14/04 (0)