ive heard SACD over different systems cant rationalize its failure by blaming the gear..nt

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Topic - is dvd-audio superior? - astolfo 04:04:04 04/25/04 (94)

I would suggest going to Hi-Rez Highway... - tunenut 10:22:26 04/25/04 (1)

very true - relentless99 23:05:55 04/25/04 (0)

depending on what "superior" refer to and what format you compare with..yes it is... - NonA 08:36:27 04/25/04 (91)

Some of your statements are a little misleading - vettracer 18:19:33 04/26/04 (38)

what i would stress out ... - NonA 06:36:56 04/27/04 (0)

Unfortunately so are some of yours ... - Christine Tham 21:07:33 04/26/04 (36)

ahhh the arrogance :-)... i know you fancy yourself as some sort of Guru... - NonA 07:00:04 04/27/04 (35)

Re: ahhh the arrogance :-)... i know you fancy yourself as some sort of Guru... - robert young 19:56:08 04/29/04 (0)

Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 13:57:39 04/27/04 (31)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - andy_c 21:43:12 04/27/04 (4)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 23:07:00 04/27/04 (3)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - andy_c 20:14:41 04/28/04 (2)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 20:27:20 04/28/04 (1)

with the proper signal conditioning... - NonA 07:39:18 04/29/04 (0)

I would stop reading Pyramix and Meitner propaganda... - NonA 16:35:18 04/27/04 (2)

your response is a perfect example of why i didn't bother to post in the first place :-) (nt) - Christine Tham 16:39:03 04/27/04 (1)

I think you're confused....nt - NonA 17:52:25 04/27/04 (0)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Frank. 15:04:20 04/27/04 (14)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 16:33:12 04/27/04 (13)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Frank. 01:14:02 04/28/04 (11)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 02:56:08 04/28/04 (10)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Frank. 03:28:25 04/28/04 (9)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 03:42:34 04/28/04 (8)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Frank 05:04:06 04/28/04 (7)

incidentally, if you ever do record a live symphony orchestra ... - Christine Tham 14:59:35 04/28/04 (0)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Christine Tham 13:48:17 04/28/04 (0)

You're right, she sounds like some inexperienced low level technician.... - NonA 06:43:50 04/28/04 (4)

above post is mere vituperation of no substantive value (NT) - tunenut 11:22:13 04/28/04 (3)

as opposed to your lab dog bark anytime you feel the need to defend your ilk... - NonA 11:46:37 04/28/04 (2)

ditto (NT) - tunenut 13:34:48 04/28/04 (1)

WOOF! :-) nt - NonA 07:41:53 04/29/04 (0)

"....if you can predict what the loudest part of the signal will be. in a real life situation, you often can't..." wrong - NonA 17:10:15 04/27/04 (0)

Re: Actually, no, i don't consider myself a Guru at all ... - Frank 14:40:32 04/27/04 (7)

yes it does - Christine Tham 16:08:45 04/27/04 (6)

Re: yes it does - Frank. 00:27:33 04/28/04 (5)

Re: yes it does - Christine Tham 13:49:12 04/28/04 (4)

Re: yes it does - Frank. 05:24:03 04/29/04 (3)

Re: yes it does - Christine Tham 13:39:29 04/29/04 (2)

Ted's reply proofes nothing. - Frank. 03:00:37 04/30/04 (1)

Re: Ted's reply proofes nothing. - Christine Tham 16:58:57 04/30/04 (0)

ironic... - tunenut 10:00:37 04/27/04 (1)

I see you got the point (about the arrogance)...maybe she will... - NonA 10:23:14 04/27/04 (0)

"the softened, edgeless, forgiving, compressed, sand-brushed, fake cymbal, sound out of SACD." - Methos 20:31:11 04/25/04 (30)

ive heard SACD over different systems cant rationalize its failure by blaming the gear..nt - NonA 05:38:27 04/26/04 (29)

Any system on which SACD sounds as crappy as you claim it does, has serious issues. - Methos 08:57:02 04/26/04 (28)

Re: Any system on which SACD sounds as crappy as you claim it does, has serious issues. - Martin419 09:03:55 04/26/04 (27)

Yes, it could have been...if you and NonA were doing the listening, and you were told which encoding method was DSD... - Methos 09:08:08 04/26/04 (26)

dont monkeys have good hearing :)?...like i said, the problems with SACD go beyond.. - NonA 09:29:49 04/26/04 (25)

Has SACD's claims of greater dynamic range be proven? - Duilawyer 17:56:08 04/26/04 (24)

Re: Has SACD's claims of greater dynamic range be proven? - Frank. 23:41:26 04/26/04 (23)

somebody was eating a sandwich in the back of the hall... - tunenut 17:40:40 04/27/04 (0)

that's the venue ambience, not noise - Christine Tham 03:19:09 04/27/04 (21)

Nice try. - Frank. 05:45:57 04/27/04 (20)

yes, but was the pcm from a live recording ... - Christine Tham 06:36:11 04/27/04 (19)

It's included in the format. - Frank. 10:45:19 04/27/04 (18)

well, think about it ... - Christine Tham 14:03:05 04/27/04 (14)

Re: well, think about it ... - Frank. 14:32:31 04/27/04 (13)

no - but i don't believe the "sacd is inherently flawed" crap either :-) (nt) - Christine Tham 16:37:19 04/27/04 (12)

Why not take the same experiment? - Eric LeRouge 01:59:53 04/28/04 (11)

PS. Gain miust be applied before AD conversion... - Frank 05:06:39 04/28/04 (4)

Sorry, I missed that part. - Eric LeRouge 05:45:57 04/28/04 (3)

Re: Sorry, I missed that part. - Frank. 07:11:49 04/28/04 (2)

Re: Sorry, I missed that part. - Eric LeRouge 07:42:28 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Sorry, I missed that part. - Frank. 10:17:56 04/28/04 (0)

what experiment? - Christine Tham 03:47:41 04/28/04 (5)

We have no way of telling the results - Eric LeRouge 05:24:47 04/28/04 (2)

will be interested in your results... - tunenut 11:00:09 04/28/04 (1)

You need some serious help... - Frank. 01:50:31 04/29/04 (1)

Show some public results where this has been done... - Frank. 04:28:35 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Show some public results where this has been done... - Christine Tham 13:57:19 04/28/04 (0)

Interesting!!! - Eric LeRouge 12:33:03 04/27/04 (2)

Well... - Frank. 12:46:07 04/27/04 (1)

Re: Well... - Eric LeRouge 01:25:08 04/28/04 (0)

Re: depending on what "superior" refer to and what format you compare with..yes it is... - John Kotches 11:26:24 04/25/04 (1)

true that...but those are multibit instead of single and so have lower noise levels, thx nt - NonA 11:39:25 04/25/04 (0)

".. Sony came out with SACD *exaclty* 20 yrs after their licensing rights on CD expired)." - Duilawyer 08:55:07 04/25/04 (18)

so that would be 2020 - Metralla 03:44:06 04/27/04 (1)

see below... - NonA 06:18:31 04/27/04 (0)

ca 1980 for CD and ca 2000 for SACD... - NonA 10:31:56 04/25/04 (15)

**** WARNING -- If you have more than 2 years of basic education, SKIP THE REST OF THIS THREAD **** NT - Eric LeRouge 09:50:32 04/27/04 (2)

Does Kindergarten count or do you mean 1st and 2nd grade? (nt) - vettracer 13:57:27 04/27/04 (1)

1st grade will do (nt :) - Eric LeRouge 05:38:51 04/28/04 (0)

Sony's rights to CD did not expire in 1980. nt - Duilawyer 20:26:15 04/25/04 (11)

no it started in 1980 finished in 2000 with intro of SACD....nt - NonA 05:15:16 04/26/04 (10)

AND THEREFORE SACD did not arrive 20 years after Sony's - Duilawyer 07:16:21 04/26/04 (9)

Methinks you are missing the point, DUI . . . . - Martin419 07:44:12 04/26/04 (2)

I am NOT missing the point. The claim was wrong! - Duilawyer 18:56:04 04/26/04 (0)

Right...theres a new race and its being run on the video circuit... - NonA 07:56:24 04/26/04 (0)

what are you smoking DUI :-)? - NonA 07:40:39 04/26/04 (5)

You are missing something. Maybe a lot. Read the post again. - Duilawyer 21:26:11 04/26/04 (2)

Relax DUI no reason to get bent out of shape... - NonA 06:16:59 04/27/04 (1)

,,,I thought it was DVDA and looked for it, did not find it. - Duilawyer 07:25:26 04/27/04 (0)

He was quoting what YOU wrote (nt) - racerguy 13:21:08 04/26/04 (0)

1999.Gary.nt - Guss2 07:45:23 04/26/04 (0)

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ive heard SACD over different systems cant rationalize its failure by blaming the gear..nt - NonA 05:38:27 04/26/04 (29)

Any system on which SACD sounds as crappy as you claim it does, has serious issues. - Methos 08:57:02 04/26/04 (28)

Re: Any system on which SACD sounds as crappy as you claim it does, has serious issues. - Martin419 09:03:55 04/26/04 (27)

Yes, it could have been...if you and NonA were doing the listening, and you were told which encoding method was DSD... - Methos 09:08:08 04/26/04 (26)

dont monkeys have good hearing :)?...like i said, the problems with SACD go beyond.. - NonA 09:29:49 04/26/04 (25)

Has SACD's claims of greater dynamic range be proven? - Duilawyer 17:56:08 04/26/04 (24)

Re: Has SACD's claims of greater dynamic range be proven? - Frank. 23:41:26 04/26/04 (23)

somebody was eating a sandwich in the back of the hall... - tunenut 17:40:40 04/27/04 (0)

that's the venue ambience, not noise - Christine Tham 03:19:09 04/27/04 (21)

Nice try. - Frank. 05:45:57 04/27/04 (20)

yes, but was the pcm from a live recording ... - Christine Tham 06:36:11 04/27/04 (19)

It's included in the format. - Frank. 10:45:19 04/27/04 (18)

well, think about it ... - Christine Tham 14:03:05 04/27/04 (14)

Re: well, think about it ... - Frank. 14:32:31 04/27/04 (13)

no - but i don't believe the "sacd is inherently flawed" crap either :-) (nt) - Christine Tham 16:37:19 04/27/04 (12)

Why not take the same experiment? - Eric LeRouge 01:59:53 04/28/04 (11)

PS. Gain miust be applied before AD conversion... - Frank 05:06:39 04/28/04 (4)

Sorry, I missed that part. - Eric LeRouge 05:45:57 04/28/04 (3)

Re: Sorry, I missed that part. - Frank. 07:11:49 04/28/04 (2)

Re: Sorry, I missed that part. - Eric LeRouge 07:42:28 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Sorry, I missed that part. - Frank. 10:17:56 04/28/04 (0)

what experiment? - Christine Tham 03:47:41 04/28/04 (5)

We have no way of telling the results - Eric LeRouge 05:24:47 04/28/04 (2)

will be interested in your results... - tunenut 11:00:09 04/28/04 (1)

You need some serious help... - Frank. 01:50:31 04/29/04 (1)

Show some public results where this has been done... - Frank. 04:28:35 04/28/04 (1)

Re: Show some public results where this has been done... - Christine Tham 13:57:19 04/28/04 (0)

Interesting!!! - Eric LeRouge 12:33:03 04/27/04 (2)

Well... - Frank. 12:46:07 04/27/04 (1)

Re: Well... - Eric LeRouge 01:25:08 04/28/04 (0)

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