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Topic - Digital criticized in June 'Sound and Vision'.... - mkuller 11:16:57 06/19/06 (179)

And the Score is ------- - kavakidd 18:41:48 06/25/06 (3)

Well, it was a good troll! - Pat D 18:04:29 06/29/06 (0)

Everything was peachy before the Sound & Vision expose. (nt) - soulfood 07:44:06 06/26/06 (0)

Digital is fine, vinyl is fine... - Bung 20:55:00 06/25/06 (0)

Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - RGA 20:42:32 06/22/06 (81)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - jdouglas51 15:27:21 06/28/06 (0)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - andy19191 00:40:42 06/23/06 (79)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 14:52:18 06/26/06 (4)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - andy19191 05:05:40 06/27/06 (3)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 19:05:53 06/27/06 (2)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - andy19191 05:19:59 06/28/06 (1)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - kerr 10:41:53 06/29/06 (0)

Not to avoid/suppress/reject knowledge but to avoid ignorance and lack of ears. nt - Norm 20:33:47 06/24/06 (10)

Re: Not to avoid/suppress/reject knowledge but to avoid ignorance and lack of ears. nt - andy19191 01:45:46 06/25/06 (9)

You seem to believe that we can measure all that is important in sound reproduction - Norm 07:27:31 06/25/06 (8)

A photograph is technically better than the best painter - RGA 10:25:06 06/26/06 (0)

You mean... we *can't*? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:19:59 06/26/06 (0)

Alchemy lives! - Rick W 09:20:37 06/25/06 (3)

There is no way to resolve whether the "alchemy" is real or just not measurable. - Norm 09:34:27 06/25/06 (2)

Guess I'm in the "untroubled" group. nt - Rick W 09:42:13 06/25/06 (1)

Me too! nt - Norm 11:06:12 06/25/06 (0)

Re: You seem to believe that we can measure all that is important in sound reproduction - andy19191 08:20:03 06/25/06 (1)

What does ignorance and trust your ears mean? - Norm 09:09:53 06/25/06 (0)

Re: Vinyl vs CD is a moot point... - Soundmind 19:58:29 06/23/06 (38)

Good clarification - Dave Pogue 03:57:04 06/24/06 (33)

Re: Good clarification - andy19191 10:20:50 06/24/06 (31)

First of all, I enjoy my digital collection - E-Stat 09:58:33 06/25/06 (0)

Re: Good clarification - RGA 06:35:30 06/25/06 (22)

Re: Good clarification - andy19191 07:52:45 06/25/06 (21)

Ok - RGA 16:58:19 06/25/06 (2)

Re: Ok - andy19191 05:06:35 06/26/06 (1)

Re: Ok - RGA 09:47:29 06/26/06 (0)

Theoritical vs reality.... - mkuller 10:12:42 06/25/06 (7)

Re: Theoritical vs reality.... - andy19191 05:45:44 06/26/06 (1)

Measured 'accuracy' may not be that important... - mkuller 16:48:23 06/30/06 (0)

Re: Theoritical vs reality.... - theaudiohobby 13:05:52 06/25/06 (4)

Which compromises are YOU willing to accept? - mkuller 18:06:28 06/25/06 (3)

Re: Yep, we are now making progress - theaudiohobby 14:10:40 06/26/06 (2)

Re: Yep, we are now making progress - DerekVa 21:36:01 07/07/06 (0)

Fidelity and other compromises... - mkuller 16:56:59 06/30/06 (0)

RGA, see why I gave up with this guy? - Dave Pogue 08:32:25 06/25/06 (9)

Re: Dichotomy - theaudiohobby 14:48:14 06/25/06 (8)

Gee, I'm sure glad you straightened that out. - Dave Pogue 14:53:26 06/25/06 (7)

Re: unsurprisingly evasive.. -nt - theaudiohobby 16:08:54 06/25/06 (6)

Unsurprisingly dumb :-) (nt) - Dave Pogue 16:31:49 06/25/06 (5)

Re: Unsurprisingly dumb :-) (nt) - RGA 03:14:36 06/26/06 (3)

Of course you are right. - Dave Pogue 04:29:01 06/26/06 (2)

Re: Of course you are right. - RGA 10:06:54 06/26/06 (1)

Wait a minute.... - Neil49 13:37:39 06/26/06 (0)

Re: Insults and rude behaviour expose your insecurity - theaudiohobby 16:42:05 06/25/06 (0)

You'll never hear what I hear - Dave Pogue 11:39:43 06/24/06 (6)

Re: You'll never hear what I hear - andy19191 13:05:45 06/24/06 (5)

No, I'm not at all curious about squaring (my) own experiences ... - Dave Pogue 13:34:14 06/24/06 (4)

Re: No, I'm not at all curious about squaring (my) own experiences ... - andy19191 15:23:30 06/24/06 (3)

Why should anyone care that you want to understand why we believe as we do? We are interested in music not your concerns - Norm 20:30:35 06/24/06 (1)

Re: Why should anyone care that you want to understand why we believe as we do? We are interested in music not your conc - andy19191 01:35:43 06/25/06 (0)

Well, you'll have to pardon me. - Dave Pogue 17:00:41 06/24/06 (0)

Re: Good clarification - musman 09:34:06 06/24/06 (0)

Would you - RGA 22:19:06 06/23/06 (3)

NO! I never sell anything. I am a packrat by nature - Soundmind 04:25:29 06/24/06 (2)

Hahahaha... - RGA 06:50:00 06/24/06 (1)

Re: Hahahaha... - Soundmind 07:06:29 06/24/06 (0)

"The technical side of audio reproduction is well understood." Whatta comedian! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:28:25 06/23/06 (0)

Umm Confused I admit it. - RGA 07:17:56 06/23/06 (2)

Re: Umm Confused I admit it. - andy19191 11:53:47 06/23/06 (1)

Re: Umm Confused I admit it. - bjh 12:25:15 06/23/06 (0)

Re: Thanks for the enunciation - theaudiohobby 02:37:47 06/23/06 (19)

No wonder you're baffled - Dave Pogue 04:23:07 06/23/06 (18)

Re: Thanks for making the point - theaudiohobby 04:50:22 06/23/06 (17)

It must be my "pendantic" nature ... - Dave Pogue 05:04:38 06/23/06 (16)

Re: coherence... - theaudiohobby 05:30:09 06/23/06 (15)

I think I'll leave you to your confusion. - Dave Pogue 05:48:22 06/23/06 (14)

Attaboy! - Bruce from DC 06:16:08 06/23/06 (13)

Re: Attaboy! - andy19191 12:26:44 06/23/06 (0)

Amen! And ... - rbolaw 10:06:24 06/23/06 (0)

Re: Technical Appreciation - theaudiohobby 08:08:23 06/23/06 (2)

Re: Technical Appreciation - Bruce from DC 10:44:59 06/23/06 (1)

Re: Technical Appreciation - theaudiohobby 12:02:36 06/24/06 (0)

DAMN!! - RGA 07:34:14 06/23/06 (7)

It's the thought that counts, RGA - Bruce from DC 10:48:08 06/23/06 (0)

Damn right: Hobby = fun - Dave Pogue 08:35:23 06/23/06 (5)

Childish perhaps, vinyl/fun is also threatening and contentious to some. - soulfood 09:16:21 06/23/06 (4)

Threatening? Get real. - Dave Pogue 09:41:27 06/23/06 (3)

I bought about 1,000 CDs by mistake, no take that back EMPTY promises - Teresa 18:52:38 06/23/06 (0)

That is, vinylphobia lacking mature reasoning. - soulfood 14:59:06 06/23/06 (1)

Oh yeah, it's a jungle out there. - Dave Pogue 16:18:08 06/23/06 (0)

Re: Digital criticized in June 'Sound and Vision'.... - jig45 15:37:09 06/22/06 (1)

You looking for a portal to Whiner's Woad? - Bruce Kendall 15:55:49 06/22/06 (1)

Why isn't this whole thread in Whiner's Woad? - hexenboden 20:36:50 06/20/06 (1)

If they can't get decent sound from digital I can't take them seriously; they're dinosaurs stuck in the past. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:36:30 06/20/06 (3)

Chris do you ever listen to Classical music? - Teresa 03:26:47 06/23/06 (1)

I listen to lots of classical music - Soundmind 20:16:17 06/23/06 (0)

That's too generous - hexenboden 14:50:15 06/20/06 (1)

The Medium is *not* the Message. - bjh 09:56:10 06/20/06 (21)

yes. - Bruce from DC 10:53:42 06/20/06 (18)

Wat a minnit.... Don't mix the medium with the final product... - Bob Rex 12:26:23 06/20/06 (16)

Re: Wat a minnit.... Don't mix the medium with the final product... - Bruce from DC 15:42:41 06/20/06 (1)

2nd paragraph wraps up my life experience- - cdb 19:39:17 06/20/06 (0)

Re; The masters sound that bad, period! - Ivan303 14:26:41 06/20/06 (13)

Columbia - markrohr 17:39:43 06/20/06 (12)

Victor Campos took his tapes and player right to the transmitter on Great Blue Hill. A sheer labor of love. Also... - clarkjohnsen 08:43:41 06/21/06 (1)

Remember when they ran their signal 3dB down, so as not to invoke the limiter as often? - markrohr 10:37:30 06/21/06 (0)

the dirty little secret - Bruce from DC 07:05:26 06/21/06 (9)

"they [had] some great performers and conductors" - markrohr 07:58:32 06/21/06 (8)

Dynagroove..... - Ivan303 16:49:31 06/21/06 (0)

Re: regrind - Bruce from DC 10:17:47 06/21/06 (6)

Re: regrind - Soundmind 07:37:08 06/23/06 (5)

That wooshing sound you heard . . . - markrohr 17:58:01 06/23/06 (4)

Re: That wooshing sound you heard . . . - Soundmind 19:38:21 06/23/06 (3)

Lord knows you can't have heard any recent SET amps - Dave Pogue 04:59:50 06/24/06 (2)

I was at the VTV show in New Jersey less than two months ago - Soundmind 05:39:00 06/24/06 (1)

Now that I know ... - Dave Pogue 06:40:53 06/24/06 (0)

Re: yes. - regmac 12:23:44 06/20/06 (0)

The best way to enjoy listening to CDs... - mkuller 10:50:28 06/20/06 (1)

Re: The best way to enjoy listening to CDs... - chris keating 11:05:04 06/20/06 (1)

Re: Digital criticized in June 'Sound and Vision'.... - jamesgarvin 08:51:07 06/20/06 (1)

"Yet the parrots keep miming the same rhetoric." Polly is an objectivist! Polly is an objectivist! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:50:38 06/20/06 (0)

An absurd notion - Soundmind 03:22:28 06/20/06 (0)

Re: Digital criticized in June 'Sound and Vision'.... - andy19191 00:57:19 06/20/06 (0)

Re: Digital criticized in June 'Sound and Vision'.... - hahax@verizon.net 20:05:55 06/19/06 (7)

You may not be aware but "filling in the holes" is what causes low resolution digital to sound stressful - Teresa 19:03:59 06/20/06 (6)

Surface noise on records, scratches on records and posters names Teresa cause the ultimate stress! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:27:04 06/21/06 (3)

I was wrong to have gone back to SACD the second time, my excuse I was seduced by a tubed player. - Teresa 11:44:39 06/21/06 (2)

"I was seduced by a tuba player". - Richard BassNut Greene 08:47:20 06/22/06 (1)

Sorry to hear about that. There should be little or NO audible Noise/distorion on a correctly set-up LP front end. - Teresa 19:08:42 06/22/06 (0)

Actually, they have more holes to fill, but the holes are "smaller" (nt) - rditmars 08:48:07 06/21/06 (0)

Re: You may not be aware but "filling in the holes" is what causes low resolution digital to sound stressful - hahax@verizon.net 20:17:09 06/20/06 (0)

I used to think this way... - Wellfed 17:05:54 06/19/06 (14)

Re: I used to think this way... - kerr 04:43:38 06/20/06 (13)

I have some CD-R's made from Analog LPs while they have the "flavor" of analog they DO NOT have the resolution. - Teresa 19:08:45 06/20/06 (2)

There are CD-Rs, then there are CD-Rs. Both the stock and the means produce widely variant results. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:45:26 06/21/06 (0)

I've never actually tasted them - kerr 19:26:28 06/20/06 (1)

My thoughts exactly. - markrohr 07:52:11 06/20/06 (9)

Re: My thoughts exactly. - Dan Banquer 09:38:37 06/20/06 (1)

Oh, I've got some, too. - markrohr 09:52:24 06/20/06 (1)

Re: My thoughts exactly. - kerr 09:26:11 06/20/06 (0)

"CDs are bad sounding because the... recordcompanies... want them to sound bad or just haven't got a clue." - clarkjohnsen 08:01:38 06/20/06 (5)

How about another alternative? - Bruce Kendall 08:04:07 06/20/06 (4)

Technically it's not "copying", it's pressing, and the Redbook covers it. The fault... - clarkjohnsen 10:53:04 06/20/06 (2)

I dunno, Clark. - Bruce Kendall 12:12:01 06/20/06 (1)

Oh, indeed. But they never do! That's the problem and I blame Redbook. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:36:54 06/21/06 (0)

True. - markrohr 09:39:05 06/20/06 (0)

Folks lighten up they are just telling the truth. These folks have access to the best high resolution Digital recorders - Teresa 17:03:17 06/19/06 (6)

Re: Folks lighten up they are just telling the truth. These folks have access to the best high resolution Digital recor - andy19191 01:19:28 06/20/06 (4)

many cannot speak the truth for fear or either losing their jobs or freelance recording jobs. - Teresa 18:54:15 06/20/06 (3)

Re: many cannot speak the truth for fear or either losing their jobs or freelance recording jobs. - andy19191 23:47:46 06/20/06 (2)

I don't know the answer to your question, maybe you could ask the engineer's themselves? - Teresa 01:22:22 06/21/06 (1)

Re: I don't know the answer to your question, maybe you could ask the engineer's themselves? - andy19191 02:19:21 06/21/06 (0)

Re: Folks lighten up they are just telling the truth. These folks have access to the best high resolution Digital recor - nyctc7@yahoo.com 23:26:22 06/19/06 (1)

Uh, oh - E-Stat 11:39:54 06/19/06 (8)

is Kerr one of those digital police? - Pat D 05:11:37 06/20/06 (3)

As long as you START with an LP, you're fine. - Dave Pogue 14:39:54 06/20/06 (1)

Re: As long as you START with an LP, you're fine. - Pat D 16:27:22 06/21/06 (0)

I got my badge and decoder ring - kerr 07:25:27 06/20/06 (0)

And here I am! - Bruce Kendall 11:54:17 06/19/06 (3)

I was referring to The New King of Whiner's Woad et al. (nt) - E-Stat 12:29:43 06/19/06 (2)

I think the title of Honorary Mayor is the least we can do. -t - Bruce Kendall 12:44:42 06/19/06 (1)

Give him the key to the city! ;-) nt - markrohr 09:53:57 06/20/06 (0)

Re: Digital criticized in June 'Sound and Vision'.... - middleground 11:41:53 06/19/06 (0)

Geeee ...never heard that before! They may be onto something! [wot] - garth 11:43:34 06/19/06 (0)

Do you expect all other viewpoints to be censored in S & V???? - Pat D 12:16:31 06/19/06 (2)

Yes, in Nousaine's articles...(nt) - mkuller 12:21:28 06/19/06 (1)

More nonsense. - Pat D 13:23:49 06/19/06 (0)

It's happening! - Charles Hansen 12:20:23 06/19/06 (2)

Let's hope so...(nt) - mkuller 13:38:27 06/19/06 (0)

Only time will tell. - Bruce Kendall 13:52:35 06/19/06 (0)

"Because they're sampling, your ear has to fill in the blanks, so to speak." - andy_c 12:40:31 06/19/06 (1)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. nt - Dan Banquer 12:40:33 06/19/06 (0)

"Satisfying Digital"...... Non-Existent or Rare?? - Todd Krieger 12:56:23 06/19/06 (2)

Re: "Satisfying Digital"...... Non-Existent or Rare?? - bjh 13:14:41 06/19/06 (1)

Re: "Satisfying Digital"...... Non-Existent or Rare?? - Yeah, Jolida cdp owners don't complain much about digital s 14:02:20 06/19/06 (0)

Quite right - hexenboden 12:57:39 06/19/06 (3)

All hail the king...(nt) - mkuller 13:37:45 06/19/06 (2)

Minor correction ... All hail the I-King! nt - bjh 14:10:32 06/19/06 (1)

Ciao Rigoletto! (nt) - hexenboden 14:41:17 06/19/06 (0)

These guys need to get some better CD players, - Al Sekela 14:12:03 06/19/06 (1)

Except that.... - jamesgarvin 08:47:10 06/20/06 (0)

Why? - Frihed89 14:16:49 06/19/06 (0)

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