In Reply to: RE: Progress posted by emailtim on July 12, 2017 at 10:46:55:
They're a 30-year-old pair of Tympani IVA's that I bought used a few years ago for embarrassingly little, considering how amazingly good they are. I've been doing some repairs in a desultory fashion and I'm planning to do Satie's mod to replace the old midrange panels with BG Neo 8's, which is why I have the grille cloths off.
Here they are lined up:
But they block the projection screen if I do that, so I'm using them in split configuration, with the woofers behind the midrange/tweeter panels.
I did paint the EPS diffusers. They really soak up the paint and it's amazing how much heavier they get. :-) I think they sound better than they did before they were painted. Not only do they become more reflective but the paint dampens a resonance, if you tap them you can hear that they're acoustically deader and less likely to color the sound. I think wooden diffusers would sound even better, but the EPS ones are really easy to move around and as I said I'm probably going to make some transparent ones anyway.
There's no need for a central diffuser since they're actually located right at the first reflection points of the midrange-tweeter panels. Here's a photo taken from my listening position with a mirror, you can see that the back of the mid-tweeter panel centered in it:
Anyway, based on my brief listeningg session anyway, I can't recommend diffusion enough. The difference in imaging was night and day.
If I had a huge listening room and could pull the speakers way out from the wall, it wouldn't matter, but I can only pull mine out 5' or so and without the diffusers, the image was just too flat. It actually sounded more lifelike when I was listening off axis. With the diffusers, I'm getting much more depth and it feels like I'm in a concert hall, the magic carpet effect. And that's with the speakers closer to the wall than I'd been running them -- I'd really like to be able to push them back a bit because the room is so small.
I think based on my brief listening that the diffusion also improves the ambiance of the room, since the backwave is being scattered and randomized. I have less of an image-just-between-the-speakers effect and a more spacious, natural presentation.
I also listened to a piano recording last night and that too was pretty spectacular, as in it felt like I was in the hall with the piano on stage in front of me.
I need to add some absorption to the room too, it's still pretty bare right now.
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Follow Ups
- RE: Here you go - josh358 11:35:10 07/12/17 (45)
- "I think based on my brief listening that the diffusion also improves the ambiance of the room" - E-Stat 15:29:01 07/13/17 (12)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 11:12:19 07/15/17 (11)
- Good points - E-Stat 11:28:02 07/15/17 (10)
- PS - josh358 11:49:47 07/15/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 11:47:53 07/15/17 (8)
- RE: Here you go - watts 05:56:28 08/06/17 (3)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 08:20:19 08/06/17 (2)
- RE: Here you go - watts 13:01:23 08/06/17 (1)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 13:12:56 08/06/17 (0)
- More good questions! - E-Stat 12:15:08 07/15/17 (3)
- Interesting - josh358 12:41:13 07/15/17 (2)
- RE: Diffusion is a dipole's friend. - BigguyinATL 14:24:17 07/13/17 (1)
- Diffusion - josh358 12:53:32 07/15/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - emailtim 12:40:01 07/12/17 (29)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 13:44:47 07/15/17 (5)
- RE: Here you go - BDP24 00:15:57 07/18/17 (4)
- RE: Here you go - Satie 07:18:52 07/18/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 06:05:07 07/18/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - Roger Gustavsson 05:52:08 07/18/17 (1)
- RE: Here you go - BDP24 13:01:02 07/18/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 19:05:40 07/12/17 (22)
- RE: Here you go - johnvb 17:05:10 07/22/17 (19)
- RE: ...paint to work best. - JBen 16:55:42 07/27/17 (3)
- RE: ...paint to work best. - johnvb 18:01:59 07/27/17 (2)
- RE: ...paint to work best. - JBen 18:43:48 07/27/17 (1)
- RE: ...paint to work best. - johnvb 04:25:19 07/28/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 06:01:12 07/24/17 (14)
- RE: Here you go - johnvb 09:00:21 07/24/17 (13)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 19:24:11 08/01/17 (12)
- RE: Here you go - johnvb 04:35:04 08/02/17 (11)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 16:55:26 08/02/17 (10)
- RE: Here you go - johnvb 18:41:05 08/02/17 (9)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 05:23:10 08/03/17 (8)
- RE: Here you go - johnvb 07:53:20 08/03/17 (7)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 19:23:27 08/03/17 (6)
- RE: Here you go - Satie 15:04:30 08/05/17 (3)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 15:26:54 08/05/17 (2)
- RE: Here you go - Satie 11:26:11 08/06/17 (1)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 14:20:09 08/06/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - johnvb 15:46:53 08/04/17 (1)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 15:39:33 08/05/17 (0)
- RE: Here you go - emailtim 19:59:58 07/12/17 (1)
- RE: Here you go - josh358 11:17:54 07/15/17 (0)